Solve Acceleration of 200-lb Block After 50-lb Force is Applied

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The discussion revolves around calculating the acceleration of a 200-lb block when a 50-lb force is applied. Participants explore the implications of using imperial units, the definitions of weight and mass, and the resulting calculations for acceleration. The context includes homework-related problem-solving and technical reasoning.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a free body diagram and sets up equations based on forces acting on the block, leading to a calculation of normal force and friction.
  • Another participant questions whether the 200 lbs refers to weight or mass, suggesting that it should be treated as weight for consistency with other forces in the problem.
  • A participant recalculates the normal force as 225 lbs and friction as 22.5 lbs, concluding that the block must move and thus there is acceleration.
  • Concerns are raised about the units used in calculations, specifically that dividing force in pounds by mass in pounds does not yield acceleration in ft/s².
  • One participant suggests converting the mass to slugs or using metric units to clarify the calculations.
  • Another participant argues that for this problem, it is acceptable to treat the 200 lb block as mg without additional conversions.
  • A later reply confirms that using pounds-force and pounds-mass leads to acceleration in units of g, and discusses how to convert to ft/s², arriving at approximately 3.346 ft/s².
  • Participants express uncertainty about the book's answer of 3.55 ft/s², with one suggesting it may be incorrect.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct approach to the problem or the validity of the book's answer. Multiple competing views on unit conversions and calculations remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about weight and mass in imperial units, as well as the potential for confusion in unit conversions affecting the calculations.

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Homework Statement


The 200-lb block is at rest on the floor (u=0.1) before the 50-lb force is applied as shown in Figure 1. What is the acceleration of the block immediately after application of force? Assume the block is wide enough that it cannot tip over.


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The Attempt at a Solution


See my free body diagram (FBD attachment).
I setup the equations:

-fi+Fcos30i+Nj-mgj-Fsin30j=m(x''i+y''j+z''k) (i,j,k are unit vectors, x'',y'',z'' are double dot or acceleration)

Thus I get two equations:
Fcos30-f=mx''
mg+Fsin30=N

I plug in for the second equation and get N=6425. Coefficient of static friction is 0.1, so my max static friction is 0.1*6425 = 642.5. So if I go back to the first equation, it looks like the block doesn't move despite the 50lb force. But the book gives the answer as 3.55ft/s^2 in the positive x direction, so I screwed up somewhere. But I can't see it. Any help would be appreciated.
 

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Imperial units. Yuck. Is the 200 pounds the weight of the block, or is it the mass of the block? In other words, is that unit pounds-force, or pounds-mass? I would have assumed the former, for consistency, since other forces in the problem are given in lbs.

If so, then I should point out that the force balance in the y-direction says that:

200 lbs + (50 lbs)sin(30 deg) = 225 lbs.

Certainly not 6425 lbs.
 
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You're right. So it is 225 lbs for N, and thus friction is 0.1*225 = 22.5 pounds. But we know the F in the x direction is Fcos30 = 43.3 pounds, so the box moves and hence there is acceleration. So I plug in 22.5 for f in my first equation and get x''=0.104 which isn't right. Where am I going wrong here? Thanks.
 
If one takes a quantity in force-pounds and divides by mass-pounds, the result is not acceleration in ft/s2.

You could first convert the mass to slugs.

Or you could convert the problem quantities to metric, and then convert the answer back to ft/s2.
 
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No, for this problem just assume 200 lb block = mg. I looked over and I think that's right. No need to over complicate it in the context of this problem.
 
MisterX said:
If one takes a quantity in force-pounds and divides by mass-pounds, the result is not acceleration in ft/s2.

You're right: it's not. If you do that, the result is acceleration in units of g. The reason for this is that pounds-force and pounds-mass are defined in such a way that an object will have the same mass in lbm as its weight in lbf on EARTH. So if you multiply your answer by g = 32.174 ft/s2, you'll get it in units of ft/s2, and the result is about 3.346 ft/s2.

MisterX said:
You could first convert the mass to slugs.

Yes, equivalently, you could first divide the 200 lbf by g to get mass in slugs, and then compute the result using

a = F/m,

where m is in slugs now (instead of using 200 lbm). You'll still get the same result though: 3.346 ft/s2.

The two methods are arithmetically equivalent: in the second method, you divide the mass by 32.174 in order to convert it from lbm to slugs. However, since mass appears in the denominator, this is equivalent to multiplying the final answer for acceleration by 32.174, which is what you do in the first method to convert from units of g to units of ft/s2.

Try as I might, I haven't found any way to reproduce an answer of 3.55 ft/s^2. It's close but not quite. Maybe the book is just wrong.
 

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