Solve e^(2 x)-e^x-12 = 0 for x

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The equation e^(2x) - e^x - 12 = 0 yields two solutions: ln(4) and ln(-3). While ln(4) is valid, ln(-3) is considered an extraneous solution in the context of real numbers since logarithms are only defined for positive values. The discussion highlights that while ln(-3) can be derived mathematically, it leads to complex numbers, which are not typically covered in precalculus. The teacher's stance aligns with standard definitions of logarithms, which restrict solutions to real numbers. Therefore, only ln(4) is the accepted solution for this problem in a real-number context.
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Homework Statement


solve e^(2 x)-e^x-12 = 0 for x


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We had this question on a test, and after solving it (i'd rather not write out the work), I came to two solutions.
Ln(4)
Ln(-3)

I plugged both answers back into the equation, and they both worked.
My teacher says that Ln(-3) is NOT an answer, because it is an "extraneous solution".
I did some messing around on Wolframalpha, and they seem to agree that ln(-3) is, in fact, a solution.

Can someone please clarify if both answers are in fact solutions, or if one is an extraneous solution. Or if you think he meant something else, please tell me. please keep in mind that I'm still in precalculus, so please explain it in as simple terms as possible.



Thanks.
 
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You have defined the logarithm only for positive values of x. So log(-1) is not defined. The logarithm is a function that takes in positive values and spews out a real number.

It is possible to define the logarithm for negative numbers, but that's not what your teacher wants. Your teacher works with the real logarithm, and thus is not defined for negative numbers.
 
I see your point.

I've now talked to my teacher, and he thinks that I might be right; or at least he isn't sure why plugging in the solutions back into the equations work.

If we are talking about logarithms that are defined by both positive and negative numbers (let's just say the problem allowed for all possible answers), are both proposed answer(s) 'right'.

Is the answer considered 'right' if you can plug it in?

Thanks
 
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Again, ln(-3) is a root if logarithms are defined for negative numbers.
In your case, I'm sure you're working with \{x\in \mathbb{R} :x > 0\}
ln(-1)=i \pi
ln(-3)=ln(3)+i \pi

Complex numbers are introduced when you take the logarithm of a negative number.
 
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