Solve for a constant in an equation

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around solving for a constant in an equation involving the arctanh function, specifically arctanh(6.55). Participants explore the implications of this calculation and the resulting errors encountered on calculators.

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  • Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in calculating arctanh(6.55) and seeks alternatives.
  • Another participant suggests using hyperbolic trigonometric identities, specifically the definitions of tanh and arctanh, to clarify the situation.
  • A participant points out that the values of the tanh function are restricted to the range between -1 and 1, implying that arctanh(6.55) is not valid within the real number system.
  • A later reply reiterates that there is no real number x such that tanh(x) equals 6.55, explaining the error encountered on the calculator.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that arctanh(6.55) is not valid for real numbers due to the range of the tanh function, but the discussion includes multiple perspectives on how to approach the problem.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the assumption that only real numbers are considered, and the need for clarity on the specific equation being solved.

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Im trying to solve for a constant in an equation and it involves taking the arctanh(6.55) and my calculator is giving me an error, is there a way around this?
 
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Perhaps you could make use of $$\tanh(x) = \frac{\sinh(x)}{\cosh(x)} = \frac{e^x - e^{-x} }{ e^x + e^{-x} },$$ or $$\mathrm{arctanh}(x) = \frac{1}{2}\,\ln\left|\frac{1+x}{1-x} \right|.$$ These are all available by Googling "Hyperbolic trig identities".

Also, you should probably mention what the equation is.
 
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H Smith 94 said:
Perhaps you could make use of $$\tanh(x) = \frac{\sinh(x)}{\cosh(x)} = \frac{e^x - e^{-x} }{ e^x + e^{-x} },$$ or $$\mathrm{arctanh}(x) = \frac{1}{2}\,\ln\left|\frac{1+x}{1-x} \right|.$$ These are all available by Googling "Hyperbolic trig identities".

Also, you should probably mention what the equation is.

This helps, thanks a lot
 
The values of tanh are between -1 and 1.
What you are trying to do is like asking for arcsin(2).
Of course you get an error.:)
 
Dean Whaley said:
Im trying to solve for a constant in an equation and it involves taking the arctanh(6.55) and my calculator is giving me an error, is there a way around this?
If you let x = arctanh(6.55), an equivalent equation is tanh(x) = 6.55.

Assuming that we're dealing only with real numbers, the range of the tanh function is ##-1 < \tanh(x) < 1##. This means that there is no real number x for which tanh(x) = 6.55, or equivalently, for which x = arctanh(6.55). That's what your calculator is telling you.

Your calculator probably has some documentation about the values that can be used as arguments to each of the calculator's functions.

Edit: nasu beat me by 2 minutes!
 
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