Solve Hard Sequence Problem: Find √1+√1+2√1+3√1+...

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The discussion revolves around the evaluation of the nested radical expression \(\sqrt{1+\sqrt{1+2\sqrt{1+3\sqrt{1+\ldots}}}}\). Participants explore various approaches and identities related to this sequence, including recursive formulations and asymptotic behavior.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant claims the expression evaluates to 3 and seeks clarification on this result.
  • Another participant references a possible connection to Ramanujan's identities, suggesting a complex relationship involving recursion.
  • A different participant questions the validity of the proposed identity, suggesting it might lead to a different value, specifically 2, and asks for proof of the identity.
  • A more detailed mathematical formulation is presented, introducing a recursive definition \(x_{n} = \sqrt{1 + n \sqrt{1 + (n + 1) \sqrt{1 + \ldots}}}\) and exploring its limit as \(n\) approaches infinity.
  • The discussion includes an analysis of the asymptotic behavior of \(x_{n}\), proposing that it behaves like a power law as \(n\) increases, leading to further recursive relations and transformations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the evaluation of the nested radical, with some proposing it converges to 3, while others suggest it may converge to 2. The recursive formulations and asymptotic analysis introduce additional complexity, and no consensus is reached on the final value or the validity of the identities discussed.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the behavior of the sequence as \(n\) approaches infinity, and the validity of the proposed identities remains unresolved. The recursive relationships and transformations introduced may depend on specific definitions and conditions that are not fully explored.

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Find [tex]\sqrt{1+\sqrt{1+2\sqrt{1+3\sqrt{1+...}}}}[/tex]
 
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It comes out to be 3. Why? I'm trying to find out.
 
Ok so this is basically one of Ramanajan's identities:

[tex]x + n + a = \sqrt{ax + (n+a)^{2} + x \sqrt{a(x +n) + (n+a)^{2} + (x + n) \sqrt{...}}}}[/tex]
 


Wouldn't that add up to 2? Or maybe I'm doing something wrong. Is there a proof of that identity somewhere?
 


Let

[tex] x_{n} = \sqrt{1 + n \sqrt{1 + (n +1) \sqrt{1 + \ldots}}}[/tex]

Then, we have the backwards recursive formula:

[tex] x_{n} = \sqrt{1 + n x_{n + 1}}[/tex]

We want to find [itex]x_{1}[/itex]. Let us see what is the limit [itex]x \equiv \lim_{n \rightarrow \infty}{x_{n}}[/itex]?



If we want a finite limit, we must have:

[tex] x_{n} \sim -\frac{1}{n}, \; n \rightarrow \infty[/tex]

but, this is impossible since all [itex]x_{n} > 0[/itex]. Therefore, the limit is infinite. Let us assume that is asymptotically a power law:

[tex] x_{n} \sim A \, n^{\alpha}, \; n \rightarrow \infty, \; \alpha > 0[/tex]

Then, we have:

[tex] A n^{\alpha} \sim \sqrt{1 + n A (n + 1)^{\alpha}} \sim \sqrt{A} \, n^{\frac{1 + \alpha}{2}}[/tex]

which means:

[tex] \alpha = \frac{1 + \alpha}{2} \Rightarrow \alpha = 1[/tex]

and

[tex] A = \sqrt{A} \Rightarrow A = 0 \vee A = 1[/tex]

So, we may conclude:

[tex] x_{n} = n (1 + y_{n}), \; y_{n} \rightarrow 0, \; n \rightarrow \infty[/tex]

The backwards recursive relation for [itex]y_{n}[/itex] is:

[tex] n (1 + y_{n}) = \sqrt{1 + n \cdot n (1 + y_{n + 1})}[/tex]

[tex] y_{n} = \sqrt{1 + y_{n + 1} + \frac{1}{n}} - 1[/tex]

[tex] y_{n + 1} = y_{n} (2 + y_{n}) - \frac{1}{n}[/tex]

Define a discrete z-transform:

[tex] Y(z) \equiv \sum_{n = 1}^{\infty}{y_{n} z^{-n}}[/tex]

As we can see, [itex]y_{1}[/itex] is the coefficient in the Laurent series of [itex]Y(z)[/itex] around [itex]z = 0[/itex]. According to the residue theorem:

[tex] y_{1} = \mathrm{Res}(Y(z), z = 0) = \frac{1}{2 \pi i} \, \oint_{C_{z = 0}}{Y(z) \, dz}[/tex]

We need to find a functional equation for [itex]Y(z)[/itex] from the above (non-linear) recursive relation.
 

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