Solve Harmonic Oscillator - Find Kinetic & Potential Energy

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The discussion revolves around demonstrating that the expected values for kinetic and potential energy are equal for a harmonic oscillator in its ground state. Participants are exploring the necessary calculations and concepts related to quantum mechanics and harmonic oscillators.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss calculating the expectation values of kinetic and potential energy separately. There are inquiries about using LaTeX for presenting calculations, and one participant shares their approach to finding the expectation value of position.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on calculating expectation values and have shared their attempts at integrals. There is an ongoing exploration of methods to express calculations clearly, particularly using LaTeX. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being discussed without a clear consensus on the final approach.

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Participants are facing challenges with LaTeX formatting and the integration process for calculating expectation values. The original poster seeks hints rather than complete solutions, aligning with the forum's homework help guidelines.

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Homework Statement


Can someone please give me some hints how to solve this problem.
Show that expected value for the kinetic energy is the same as the expected value for the potential energy for a harmonic oscillator in gound state.



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how to start with it?



The Attempt at a Solution


 
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One way would be to calculate the expectation values <T> and <V> separately and show that they are equal. You know what the ground state wavefunction for the harmonic oscillator is, so you have to do a couple of integrals.
 
hello! I have been trying to write my calculations by using 'latex' but then i get a problem, it only shows me the very first part of my solutions when i want to add more it does not work at all...do you know what might be a problem?
 
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[tex]\psi_{0}= (\frac{\alpha}{\pi})^{\frac{1}{4}} e^{\frac{-y^2}{2}}[/tex]

[tex]y= \sqrt{\frac{m\omega}{\hbar}}x\Rightarrow y=\sqrt{\alpha}x[/tex]
[tex]\alpha= \frac{m\omega}{\hbar}[/tex]
[tex]<|x^2|>=\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}dxx^2|{\psi_{0}}^2|=\sqrt{\frac{m\omega}{\pi \hbar}}\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}dxx^2e^{\frac{-m \omega x^2}{\hbar}}=I[/tex]

[tex]\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}dxx^2e^{-\alpha x^2}=\frac{1}{2\alpha}\sqrt{\frac{\pi}{\alpha}}[/tex]

[tex]I= \frac{1 \hbar}{2m \omega}[/tex]

for [tex]<|p^2|>=\frac{m \hbar \omega}{2}[/tex]

[tex]<|E_{k}| >= \frac{1}{2m}|<|p^2>|= \frac{\hbar \omega}{4}[/tex]
[tex]<|E_{p}|> = \frac{m\omega^2}{2}<|x^2|>= \frac{\hbar \omega}{4}[/tex]

can i calculate it this way?
I have problems with finding formulas for the expected value for kinetic and potential energy...
 
The <|x2|> expectation value looks correct. How did you do the <|p2/2m|> integral?
 
[tex]<|p^2|>=-\hbar^2 \int_{-\infty}^{\infty}dxe^{\frac{-m \omega x^2}{2\hbar}}\frac{\partial ^2}{\partial x^2}e^{\frac{-m \omega x^2}{2\hbar}}\sqrt{\frac{m\omega}{\pi \hbar}}= \hbar m \omega -m^2 \omega^2<|x^2|>=\frac{m \hbar \omega}{2}[/tex]
 
Methinks you are done.
 
thank you!:)
 

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