Solve Integration by Parts: y' = x.y.cos(x^2)

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The problem involves solving the differential equation y' = x.y.cos(x^2) using integration techniques, specifically integration by parts. Participants are exploring various methods to approach the integration of the product of functions.

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Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply integration by parts but expresses confusion about reaching a point where the integral appears to be self-referential. Other participants question the necessity of integration by parts and suggest substitution as a simpler method. There is also discussion about the relationship between derivatives and integrals in this context.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with different methods of integration, with some suggesting substitution as an alternative to integration by parts. There is a mix of understanding and confusion regarding the application of these techniques, and no consensus has been reached on the best approach yet.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the importance of understanding integration by substitution, indicating that it may be a prerequisite for effectively tackling this problem. The original poster's attempts and subsequent edits reveal uncertainty about the correctness of their approach.

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Homework Statement



Find the solution to:

y' = x.y.cos(x^2)

Homework Equations



Integration by Parts method.

The Attempt at a Solution



Step 1
(dy/dx).(1/y) = x.cos(x2)

(1/y) dy = x.cos(x2) dx

Step 2
Integrate both sides.

ln|y| = integratal of [ x.cos(x2) dx ]

Step 3
Using integration by parts...

u = cos(x2) => du = -2x.sin(2^x)
dv = x => v = 1.dx

Step 4
Subbing back in...

ln|y| = u.v - integral of v.du = cos(x2) - integral of [-2x.sin(x2)]

ln(y) = cos(x2) + 2*integral of [x.sin(x2)]

Step 5
Using integration by parts a second time...

u = sin(x2) => du = 2x.cos(x2)
dv = x => v = 1.dx

Step 6
Subbing back in...

ln|y| = cos(x2) + 2 ( sin(x2) - 2*integral of x.cos(x2).dx )Step 7

I stop my attempt there because it just seems to eventually I get to a point where it becomes a function of itself? (ie. the x.cos(x2)

What do I do next? or have I gone wrong somewhere?EDIT --- SOME FURTHER WORK, IS THIS CORRECT?

Ok so I noticed that we get "integral of [x.cos(x2)]" back in our formula, and up above in Step 2 I declared it to be = ln|y|

So I sub ln|y| into the formula and get...

ln|y| = cos(x2) + 2sin(x2) - 4*ln|y|
5*ln|y| = cos(x2) + 2sin(x2)
ln|y| = (1/5)*(cos(x2) + 2sin(x2))

y = e^(above line)

Ta da? lemmy know if this correct please!
 
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integral of [ x.cos(x2) dx ] doesn't need integration by parts right? derivative of x square is 2 times x.
 
Oster said:
integral of [ x.cos(x2) dx ] doesn't need integration by parts right? derivative of x square is 2 times x.


Are you high? :P
What has the derivative of x^2 got to do with the integral of x*cos(2^x) ?
 
Why are you even using integration by parts? A much simpler approach is to substitute t=x^2 on your right hand integration.
 
HEY! I WASN'T HIGH! I was trying to help!
 
Pi-Bond said:
Why are you even using integration by parts? A much simpler approach is to substitute t=x^2 on your right hand integration.

As far as I'm aware the easiest way to integrate the product of two functions is to integrate it by parts.

Could you please explain your method? ie. Once I substitute t=x^2, what then?
 
If t=x^2, dt=2xdx. Your integral xcos(x2)dx can then be expressed as (1/2)cos(t)dt, which you can integrate easily.
 
Pi-Bond said:
If t=x^2, dt=2xdx. Your integral xcos(x2)dx can then be expressed as (1/2)cos(t)dt, which you can integrate easily.


How does x become (1/2) ?
 
You haven't done integrations by substitution yet? Maybe you should wait for your class to get to that point...(Actually if you are doing differential equations, you should be aware of this)

Anyway: xcos(x2)dx = (1/2)cos(x2)(2xdx) = (1/2)cos(t)dt
 
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adamwitt said:
How does x become (1/2) ?
This is pretty standard when using substitution to do integration. Generally the method of
substitution is covered before integration by parts.

You are trying to find [itex]\displaystyle \int x\cos(x^2)\,dx\,.[/itex]

As Oster suggested, use substitution. Pi-Bond gave more details: use t = x2, then dt = 2x dx → x dx = (1/2) dt . This is where the 1/2 comes from.

x doesn't become 1/2. Pi-Bond moved the x to be with 2 x dx, then had to include 1/2 to make up for the extra factor of 2. It's just a different way to get the same result.
 
  • #11
SammyS said:
This is pretty standard when using substitution to do integration. Generally the method of
substitution is covered before integration by parts.

You are trying to find [itex]\displaystyle \int x\cos(x^2)\,dx\,.[/itex]

As Oster suggested, use substitution. Pi-Bond gave more details: use t = x2, then dt = 2x dx → x dx = (1/2) dt . This is where the 1/2 comes from.

x doesn't become 1/2. Pi-Bond moved the x to be with 2 x dx, then had to include 1/2 to make up for the extra factor of 2. It's just a different way to get the same result.


Thanks guys, understand it all now. Legends.
 

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