Solve L'Hospital's Rule: sin(e^(x^2)-1)/e^(cosx)-e

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the limit of the expression sin(e^(x^2)-1)/(e^(cos(x))-e) as x approaches 0, utilizing L'Hospital's Rule. Participants are analyzing the differentiation of the numerator and denominator in the context of calculus.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the correctness of the second differentiation of the numerator, with some suggesting it involves multiple terms. There are questions about the simplification of expressions and the handling of limits approaching 0.

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There is an ongoing examination of the differentiation steps, with some participants providing corrections and clarifications. Multiple interpretations of the differentiation process are being explored, and while some guidance has been offered, there is no explicit consensus on the final outcome.

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Participants express uncertainty regarding the proper handling of terms and the implications of their calculations, indicating a need for further clarification on differentiation rules and limit evaluation.

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Homework Statement


lim as x -> 0 sin(e^(x^2)-1)/e^(cosx)-e
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I saw this on the net and tried to solve it. I'm wondering if I'm correct by any means or did I mess up somewhere along the line.

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The second differentiation of the numerator isn't correct. It shouldn't be just one term but two.
(f*g)' = fg' + gf'
 
You did it well.

Regards.
 
Bohrok said:
The second differentiation of the numerator isn't correct. It shouldn't be just one term but two.
(f*g)' = fg' + gf'


njama said:
You did it well.

Regards.

I think you're right Bohrok (because I have a tendency of messing up).

@Bohrok: Do you mean the second differentiation should be

-sin(ex2-1)2xex2+(2ex2+4x2ex2)cos(ex2-1)/-cos(x)ecosxsin2x*ecosx

also, would the negative signs go away since we have both in the numerator and denominator? could we reduce the answer to 0 or do we keep it as 0/e?
 
I agree with Bohrok and disagree with njama. Let's take it a step at a time. Your first differentiation of the numerator was correct, but the second one wasn't, and your latest try doesn't look right either.

What do you get for
\frac{d}{dx} 2xe^{x^2}~cos(e^{x^2} - 1) ?

Also, you should NOT leave an answer as 0/e.
 
Mark44 said:
I agree with Bohrok and disagree with njama. Let's take it a step at a time. Your first differentiation of the numerator was correct, but the second one wasn't, and your latest try doesn't look right either.

What do you get for
\frac{d}{dx} 2xe^{x^2}~cos(e^{x^2} - 1) ?

Also, you should NOT leave an answer as 0/e.

Thank you for clearing that up, so the limit as x->0 is 0

I get:
2ex2+4x2ex2cos(ex2-1)-sin(ex2-1)*2xex2*2xex2
 
RockPaper said:
Thank you for clearing that up, so the limit as x->0 is 0

I get:
2ex2+4x2ex2cos(ex2-1)-sin(ex2-1)*2xex2*2xex2

Close, but you are missing a pair of necessary parentheses and one exponent is incorrect, according to my work.
Edit: the 3 exponent below should be 2.
(2ex2+4x3[/color]ex2)cos(ex2-1)-sin(ex2-1)*2xex2*2xex2

BTW
2xe^{x^2}*2xe^{x^2} = 4x^2e^{2x^2}
 
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Mark44 said:
Close, but you are missing a pair of necessary parentheses and one exponent is incorrect, according to my work.

(2ex2+4x3[/color]ex2)cos(ex2-1)-sin(ex2-1)*2xex2*2xex2

BTW
2xe^{x^2}*2xe^{x^2} = 4x^2e^{2x^2}

I'm glad I finally got it because it took me a few tries to get it :/ which is typical.
I don't understand how it's 4x3.
And thank you for telling me that it's 4x^2e^(2x^2) because I didn't know how to simplify it :shy:
 
You're right - that exponent shouldn't be 3. It took me several times checking to find what I did wrong.

d/dx(2xe^{x^2}~cos(e^{x^2} - 1)) = 2xe^{x^2}(-sin(e^{x^2} - 1) \cdot 2xe^{x^2}) + d/dx(2xe^{x^2}) \cdot cos(e^{x^2} - 1)
=-4x^2e^{2x^2}sin(e^{x^2} - 1) + (2e^{x^2} + 2x \cdot 2xe^{x^2})cos(e^{x^2} - 1)
= (2e^{x^2} + 4x^2e^{x^2})cos(e^{x^2} - 1) - 4x^2e^{2x^2} sin(e^{x^2} - 1)
 
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Great! Thank you for the help... I actually added the parenthesis on my paper but somehow didn't do that when I wrote it on the computer. :| It took me a whole bunch of tries to get this right (even when I had an idea on what to do), I need to work on my math skills which I'm hoping to get better over the summer. Hopefully I'll finally gain full understanding on math once I practice and learn the rules.
 

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