I Solve Mystery of Phi-Based Equation: Help Colin

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The discussion revolves around the golden ratio, phi (approximately 1.618), and its mathematical properties, including its connection to various equations like x^2 - x - 1 = 0. Colin expresses uncertainty about the practical applications of these equations, particularly in relation to machines and their potential outputs. Participants note that while the golden ratio is prevalent in architecture and nature, its connection to machines is less clear, with references made to Fibonacci numbers and their relevance. The conversation highlights the rich mathematical background of phi but emphasizes the lack of concrete applications in mechanical contexts. Overall, the thread explores the intersection of mathematics and its practical implications, particularly concerning the golden ratio.
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If you know phi it is about 1.618...=2cos36.
The equations when x=phi which is equal to 0 is x^2-x-1=0.
I took the first derivative squared and the second derivative cubed.
The equation with x=phi is:
[2x-1]^2+2^3=13
Check for yourself, if you fill in phi you get 13.
Anyway, I do not know what to do with this sacred equation.
Is it a toroidial field?
Can I make something with it?
Please help, I do not know the link between equations and machines.
Is it a part of the human body, or something else in the universe?
Thanks for your time, Colin
 
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##(2 \varphi - 1)^2 = 5## directly follows from ##\varphi = \frac{1+\sqrt 5}{2}##, and adding 23=8 on both sides doesn't change that. It is about as interesting as "5-2=3 because 2+3=5". Correct - so what? That doesn't imply any relevance for anything.
 
colinbeaton1 said:
If you know phi it is about 1.618...=2cos36.
The equations when x=phi which is equal to 0 is x^2-x-1=0.
I took the first derivative squared and the second derivative cubed.
The equation with x=phi is:
[2x-1]^2+2^3=13
Why? Since ##x=\frac{1}{2}(1 \pm \sqrt{5})## you can find a lot of quadratic expressions which resolve ##\sqrt{5}## and build something around it.
Check for yourself, if you fill in phi you get 13.
Anyway, I do not know what to do with this sacred equation.
With which kind of equation? It is as interesting as ##x^2=5## is.
##\phi ## is called the golden ratio and you can find literally thousands of books, articles, related equations and similar about it.
Is it a toroidial field?
What is a toroidial field? It is a real number, not a field.
Can I make something with it?
Probably nothing that hasn't already been done with it. Even buildings have been constructed according to the golden ratio.
Please help, I do not know the link between equations and machines.
Which machines?
Is it a part of the human body, or something else in the universe?
Thanks for your time, Colin
More a part of architecture and eventually the human sense of beauty, but this is debatable. As already mentioned: there are thousands of papers about it.

Edit: Here's good point to start at:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_ratio#Applications_and_observations

You'll also get beautiful pictures of sunflowers, if you google "golden ratio + nature".
 
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Thank you.
I do not know what to do with the differential equations.
I was assuming a machine could be made with the first and second differential, with an output max of 13 units.
Would you know how to make a machine with this equation?
I have no idea.
Let me know,thanks
 
colinbeaton1 said:
Please help, I do not know the link between equations and machines.

colinbeaton1 said:
I was assuming a machine could be made with the first and second differential, with an output max of 13 units.
Would you know how to make a machine with this equation?
I have no idea.
I'm not sure we do either. You haven't explained what kind of machine you're talking about. Are you referring to functions when you say machines?

In the area of differential equations there are things called operators, that take a function and its derivatives as inputs.
 
Can you make a machine out of the equation 2+3=5?
What do you mean if you say "machine"?
 
colinbeaton1 said:
Would you know how to make a machine with this equation?
The only thing in this context that comes close to something like a machine are the Fibonacci numbers. This is a sequence, which is build as follows: Start with ##1## and ##1## as the first elements of the sequence and then always add the two last numbers to get the next.
This gives ##1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,144,\ldots ## Now if you build the quotient of two consecutive numbers, that is
$$
\frac{1}{1}\, , \,\frac{2}{1}\, , \,\frac{3}{2}\, , \,\frac{5}{3}\, , \,\frac{8}{5}\, , \,\frac{13}{8}\, , \,\frac{21}{13}\, , \,\frac{34}{21}\, , \,\frac{55}{34}\, , \,\frac{89}{55}\, , \,\frac{144}{89}\, , \,\ldots
$$
you get a sequence which converges to ##\phi = 2\cos 36° = \frac{1+\sqrt{5}}{2}##. There are many formulas with this sequence. Many can be found, e.g. on the Wikipedia page for Fibonacci numbers.
 
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