Solve the Mystery: Why is My Way Wrong?

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The discussion centers on the analysis of forces acting on two masses, m_1 and m_2, each with a mass of 2 kg, in a system involving a pulley and an inclined plane at an angle of 30 degrees. The key conclusion is that the tension (T) in the rope must equal the weight of the hanging mass (m_2g), and the kinetic frictional force (f_k) acting on m_1 can be calculated as f_k = mg - mgsin(30°), resulting in a value of 9.8 N. The participants emphasize the importance of correctly identifying and applying the forces in the free body diagram, particularly in the x-direction along the incline.

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I just recently got my midterm back and I felt this was graded wrong...

I don't have a picture..but just picture a ramp inclined to [tex]\phi=30[/tex] One mass is sitting on the incline...And the other is dangling from a rope which runs over a pulley

Two masses [tex]m_1[/tex] & [tex]m_2[/tex] both have a mass of 2Kg. If [tex]m_1[/tex] slide up the ramp at a constant velocity, what is the kinetic frictional force on [tex]m_1[/tex]? Assume that the masses of the rope and pulley are negligible, and that the pulley is frictionless.
How I did it...
[tex]m_1 x/ T-f_k = m_1a[/tex] (Eq1)
[tex]y/ N-mgsin \phi=0[/tex]
[tex]m_2 x/ T-mgsin \phi=m_2a[/tex]
[tex]y/ T=mgsin \phi[/tex] (Eq2)
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isolate T in Eq1
[tex]T-f_k=m_1a[/tex] Since a=0
[tex]T=f_k[/tex]
Sub Eq2 into Eq1
[tex]mgsin \phi=f_k[/tex]
[tex]2Kg(9.8m/s)sin \phi=f_k[/tex]
[tex]f_k=9.8N[/tex]
Although i got the right answer he says that it needs to be expressed like this
[tex]T-f_k-mgsin \phi=0[/tex]
[tex]f_k=T-mgsin \phi[/tex] T=mg
[tex]f_k=mg-mgsin \phi = 9.8N[/tex]
Why is my way wrong?
 
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Could you explain what your variables x, y, and T mean?

You should analyze it through the use of force diagrams. The hanging mass is there only to tell you that the tension in the string, T is equal to mg. From there you free body diagram should focus entirely on the mass on the incline.
 
suspenc3 said:
[tex]m_1 x/ T-f_k = m_1a[/tex] (Eq1)
What is this x ? Is that x=gsin(30°) ?

Besides, in the x-direction (ie along the incline) you have 3 forces
1) T [tex]m_2g[/tex]
2) friction [tex]\mu_kN[/tex]
3) the x-component of gravity : gsin(30°)
I did not put in the right signs of these forces...
I only see two forces in your equation

What is x/T ?

The acceleration of object 1 is indeed 0

You should have [tex]m_1a_1=0=m_2g - \mu_kN -mgsin(30°)[/tex]

[tex]y/ N-mgsin \phi=0[/tex]
[tex]m_2 x/ T-mgsin \phi=m_2a[/tex]

What is m_2 x/T ?
[tex]y/ T=mgsin \phi[/tex] (Eq2)
This is incorrect.

In the y direction (perpendicular to the incline) you have
[tex]m_1a_1 = 0 =-mgcos(30°) + N[/tex]

Where N is the normal force.


But you only need the equation in the x direction to get your answer

marlon
 
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