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The discussion focuses on solving a probability problem involving selecting biscuits with and without replacement. The user is specifically interested in question ##6.V## and has attempted a solution using a tree diagram but seeks alternative methods. The recommended approach involves using combinations to express the total possible selections, with N representing the selections of two wrapped and two unwrapped biscuits, and M representing the total selections of four biscuits. The user acknowledges familiarity with the combination method and aims to explore different strategies beyond the provided mark scheme. The final suggestion emphasizes the formula ##\frac {12C_2 ×18C_2}{30C_4}## as a more suitable solution.
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understanding of probability concept.
My interest is solely on question ##6.V## only. This is the question paper;

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This is my working to solution; I was able to use tree diagram in this question.

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This is the mark scheme:

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I would appreciate other ways of tackling the problem. Cheers! :cool:
 

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Rather than writing out the tree of all possible outcomes, use combinations.

Imagine the biscuits are numbered 1 to 30, with 1-12 wrapped and the others not.

The answer is N / M where
- N is the number of different possible unordered selections of four with two from 1-12 and two from 13-30
- M is the number of different possible unordered selections of four different biscuits from 1-30

Express M as a combination ##{}_nC_k## and get its value.

Express N as K x L where:
- K is the number of different possible unordered selections of two different biscuits from 1-12
- L is the number of different possible unordered selections of two different biscuits from 13-30

Express K and L as combinations and get their values.

Then you can calculate N, and the n get the answer.

That is the approach set out in your last photo, after the "OR"
 
andrewkirk said:
Rather than writing out the tree of all possible outcomes, use combinations.

Imagine the biscuits are numbered 1 to 30, with 1-12 wrapped and the others not.

The answer is N / M where
- N is the number of different possible unordered selections of four with two from 1-12 and two from 13-30
- M is the number of different possible unordered selections of four different biscuits from 1-30

Express M as a combination ##{}_nC_k## and get its value.

Express N as K x L where:
- K is the number of different possible unordered selections of two different biscuits from 1-12
- L is the number of different possible unordered selections of two different biscuits from 13-30

Express K and L as combinations and get their values.

Then you can calculate N, and the n get the answer.

That is the approach set out in your last photo, after the "OR"
Yes, i am conversant with the combination approach... of course I already looked at it (the marks scheme) before posting this problem, ...i wanted to challenge myself and use a different approach and not just limit myself to the mark scheme. Cheers and thanks Andrewkirk...

the approach of,
##\frac {12C_2 ×18C_2}{30C_4}, ## is more appropriate...
 

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