Solve the probability without replacement problem

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The discussion focuses on solving a probability problem involving selection without replacement, specifically question ##6.V##. The solution involves using combinations to calculate the number of ways to select four biscuits, with two from the wrapped group (1-12) and two from the unwrapped group (13-30). The final answer is derived from the formula N / M, where N is calculated as the product of combinations from both groups, and M represents the total combinations of selecting four biscuits from the entire set of 30. The recommended approach is to express the selections using the combination formula ##{}_nC_k## for accurate computation.

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My interest is solely on question ##6.V## only. This is the question paper;

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This is my working to solution; I was able to use tree diagram in this question.

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This is the mark scheme:

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I would appreciate other ways of tackling the problem. Cheers! :cool:
 

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Rather than writing out the tree of all possible outcomes, use combinations.

Imagine the biscuits are numbered 1 to 30, with 1-12 wrapped and the others not.

The answer is N / M where
- N is the number of different possible unordered selections of four with two from 1-12 and two from 13-30
- M is the number of different possible unordered selections of four different biscuits from 1-30

Express M as a combination ##{}_nC_k## and get its value.

Express N as K x L where:
- K is the number of different possible unordered selections of two different biscuits from 1-12
- L is the number of different possible unordered selections of two different biscuits from 13-30

Express K and L as combinations and get their values.

Then you can calculate N, and the n get the answer.

That is the approach set out in your last photo, after the "OR"
 
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andrewkirk said:
Rather than writing out the tree of all possible outcomes, use combinations.

Imagine the biscuits are numbered 1 to 30, with 1-12 wrapped and the others not.

The answer is N / M where
- N is the number of different possible unordered selections of four with two from 1-12 and two from 13-30
- M is the number of different possible unordered selections of four different biscuits from 1-30

Express M as a combination ##{}_nC_k## and get its value.

Express N as K x L where:
- K is the number of different possible unordered selections of two different biscuits from 1-12
- L is the number of different possible unordered selections of two different biscuits from 13-30

Express K and L as combinations and get their values.

Then you can calculate N, and the n get the answer.

That is the approach set out in your last photo, after the "OR"
Yes, i am conversant with the combination approach... of course I already looked at it (the marks scheme) before posting this problem, ...i wanted to challenge myself and use a different approach and not just limit myself to the mark scheme. Cheers and thanks Andrewkirk...

the approach of,
##\frac {12C_2 ×18C_2}{30C_4}, ## is more appropriate...
 

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