Solve (x^2+1)^(x^3) Derivative

  • Thread starter Thread starter Mr. Snookums
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Derivative
Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the derivative of the expression (x^2 + 1)^(x^3). Participants are exploring various methods for differentiation, particularly focusing on the implications of the power and the base in the expression.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss different methods for differentiating the expression, including multiplying out the bracket and using logarithmic differentiation. There is also mention of the Chain Rule and the introduction of a dummy variable to facilitate differentiation.

Discussion Status

Several participants have offered insights into potential approaches, including the use of logarithms and the Chain Rule. There appears to be a productive exchange of ideas, with some participants expressing appreciation for the methods discussed.

Contextual Notes

Some participants question the initial setup and notation of the problem, clarifying the expression to ensure accurate interpretation. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity involved in differentiating expressions with variable exponents.

Mr. Snookums
Messages
20
Reaction score
0
[tex](x^2+1)^(x^3)[/tex]

I'm not sure how to do this. Any tips? How would I treat the power?

Should be x^3 as the power, not 3x.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
For that, its probably easiest to simply multiply out the bracket, which would give you an expression with two terms, then differentiate those two terms separately.
 
Last edited:
danago said:
For that, its probably easiest to simply multiply out the bracket, which would give you an expression with two terms, then differentiate those two terms separately.
His tex code seems to suggest that x^2+1 is raised to x^3. In this case, you can easily solve it by taking the logarithm and then differentiate (I find it simpler that way).
 
oh. my mistake then
 
Okay, I assume that you mean:
[tex]y = (x ^ 2 + 1) ^ {x ^ 3}[/tex]
Ok, I'll give you an example:
Example:
Differentiate xx with respect to x.
There are 2 ways to solve it.
------------
The first way is to try to change xx into esomething. Then from there, we can just use the Chain Rule to arrive at what the problem asks.
[tex]x ^ x = \left( e ^ {ln x} \right) ^ x = e ^ {x \ln x}[/tex]
Now we have:
[tex]\left( x ^ x \right)' = \left( e ^ {x \ln x} \right)' = (x \ln x)' e ^ {x \ln x} = (\ln x + 1) e ^ {x \ln x} = x ^ x (\ln x + 1)[/tex]
------------
The second way is to let y = xx
Now take the natural log of both sides, we have: ln y = ln(xx) = x ln x.
Now differentiate both sides with respect to x gives:
[tex]\frac{y'_x}{y} = \ln x + 1[/tex]
[tex]\Rightarrow y'_x = y( \ln x + 1)[/tex]
[tex]\Rightarrow y'_x = x ^ x ( \ln x + 1)[/tex]
------------
The two methods give the same result. Now can you go from here? :)
 
Just to expand a bit on the second way and why you can do that...

In your original problem you are looking for [tex]\frac{d}{dx}((x ^ 2 + 1) ^ {x ^ 3})[/tex]

Note that there is no y involved anywhere in the expression, but if you introduce a "dummy variable" y and set it equal to the given expression you get [tex]y=(x ^ 2 + 1) ^ {x ^ 3}[/tex]

Notice now that [tex]\frac{dy}{dx}=\frac{d}{dx}((x ^ 2 + 1) ^ {x ^ 3})[/tex] In other words, if you can manipulate the new equation ([itex]y=(x ^ 2 + 1) ^ {x ^ 3}[/itex])and solve for [itex]\frac{dy}{dx}[/itex] then you will have solved for the initial derivative.
 
Last edited:
Ah, yes. I had forgotten all about solving these buggers with logarithms. Thank you.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
202
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
3K
  • · Replies 25 ·
Replies
25
Views
2K
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
2K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
3K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
  • · Replies 24 ·
Replies
24
Views
3K
Replies
9
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K