Solving 2nd Order ODE: yy``=2y`^2

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The discussion focuses on solving the second-order ordinary differential equation (ODE) given by yy'' = 2(y')^2. Participants suggest using the reduction of order method by letting p(y) = y', which leads to the transformation of the equation into a first-order form. The key insight is that the independent variable does not appear explicitly, allowing for the application of the chain rule to derive a solvable equation. Additionally, it is emphasized that dividing by p is permissible only when p is non-zero, with the constant solution y = constant also satisfying the ODE.

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yy``=2y`^2

my problem:
i don't have a clue how to get a hand on this one! any suggestions?
 
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yy'' = 2\left( {y'} \right)^2. The independent variable doesn't seem to be there. So perhaps p\left( y \right) = y' \Rightarrow y'' = p\frac{{dp}}{{dy}} so that yp\frac{{dp}}{{dy}} = 2p^2. It would also be a good idea to not 'cancel' a p from both sides.
 
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may i ask:
how'd you think of that?
 
That's a fairly standard "reduction of order" method.

If y"= f(y, y') so that there is no x explicitely in the equation, then
Letting u= y' gives, by the chain rule, y"= u'= (du/dy)(dy/dx)= u(du/dy) resulting in the first order equation u(du/dy)= f(y,u) with y as the independent variable and u as the dependent variable.
 
Benny said:
yy'' = 2\left( {y'} \right)^2. The independent variable doesn't seem to be there. So perhaps p\left( y \right) = y' \Rightarrow y'' = p\frac{{dp}}{{dy}} so that yp\frac{{dp}}{{dy}} = 2p^2. It would also be a good idea to not 'cancel' a p from both sides.

You can divide by p if p is not zero. If p=0 then that means y=constant. Note that this solution satisfies the ODE.
 
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