Solving a Diff. Eq. Involving Primitive of sen x^3

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The discussion revolves around solving a differential equation that involves the integral of the function sin(x^3). Participants are exploring the complexities of expressing this integral in terms of elementary functions and the implications for solving the differential equation.

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  • Participants discuss the potential impossibility of expressing the integral in elementary terms and question the clarity of the differential equation's formulation. There are attempts to clarify the notation used in the equation, particularly regarding the interpretation of sin(x^3) versus (sin x)^3.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and questioning each other's interpretations of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of the Bernoulli formula and the necessity of clarifying the integral's form before proceeding.

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There is uncertainty regarding the notation in the textbook, particularly the lack of parentheses, which affects the interpretation of the equation. Participants are also constrained by the requirement to use the Bernoulli formula in their approach.

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I'm stuck trying to solve a differential equation at the point i need to calculate the primitive of sen x^3

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I've thought on primitives by parts but I don't know how will I do it...
 
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I don't think you have any hope of expressing that in terms of elementary functions.
 
So you say it's not possible to solve that primitive??That is strange...maybe it was the books' author fault...
 
If by primitive you mean integral, yes. Maybe you could post your differential equation and your attempt to solve it. That step might not be necessary.
 
The differential equation is: y' + (2/x)*y=cuberooty*sen x^3
 
What you mean on the right hand side is massively unclear. Is it:

[tex]y^{1/3} sin(x^3)[/tex]
 
well the y part you've wrote is ok but my doubt is in the x^3,because there aren't any parenthesis in my textbook so I don't know if they meant sin (x^3) or (sin x)^3!
 
Usually, [itex]\sin x^3=\sin(x^3)[/itex], whereas [itex]\sin^3 x=sin^3(x)[/itex]. If your book doesn't use parentheses, try to figure out what is meant by context (as in, say, an example problem).
 
It only says to solve the differential equation...And we have to use the Bernoulli formula to solve it...But if it's put like sin x^3 I don't know how to solve it...
 
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You do want to use the Bernoulli form to start solving it. Do this change of variables first and show what you get. What you have to integrate in the end will not be just sin(x^3).
 
  • #11
What I have to integrate in the end is: (2/3)*sen x^3 *4x
 
  • #12
Why do you keep saying "sen"? I'm not sure I believe that that is what you really have to integrate - but you're not showing any intermediate work, so I can't really comment. But even so, you don't have to integrate sin(x^3). It's already something else.
 
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I(x)= e^(primitive(4/3x))=e^4/3*ln(3x)=4x

Z=y^2/3
Z'=2/3*(y^-1/3)*y'


y'*(y^-1/3) + (2/x)*y^2/3=sin x^3 <=> 3/2*Z' + 2/x*Z=sin x^3 <=>

Z' + (4/3x)*Z=2/3*sin x^3
 
  • #14
I'm not sure what rules you are using on I(x), but I don't think they are right. Try using a*ln(x)=ln(x^a).
 

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