Solving a PDE using multiple transforms

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The discussion revolves around solving a partial differential equation (PDE) related to wave propagation using multiple transforms, specifically the Laplace and Fourier transforms. Participants explore boundary conditions, symmetry considerations, and the implications of the wave equation's properties on the solution.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a PDE and initial conditions, proposing to use Laplace and Fourier transforms to solve it, leading to a standard ODE.
  • Another participant suggests considering the behavior of the solution at large x as a potential boundary condition.
  • A participant argues that for a wave equation without damping, the solution should be zero for x > ct, proposing an additional condition.
  • Discussion arises about the symmetry of the PDE and initial conditions, with one participant suggesting that the solution should also be symmetric under the transformation x <-> -x.
  • Another participant counters that the problem specifies x ≥ 0, questioning the applicability of the symmetry argument.
  • A later reply introduces the "method of images" as a possible approach, suggesting that the problem can be viewed as a restriction of a symmetric problem on the whole real line.
  • Concerns are raised about the uniqueness of solutions and the need for additional conditions to ensure a unique solution, particularly regarding the growth of the solution at large x.
  • Participants express uncertainty about the process of taking inverse transforms and the implications for determining unknown constants.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the applicability of symmetry arguments, the behavior of solutions at large x, and the uniqueness of solutions. The discussion remains unresolved with no consensus on these points.

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Limitations include the dependence on the assumptions regarding the symmetry of the solution and the uniqueness of solutions for the given PDE. The discussion also highlights unresolved mathematical steps related to inverse transforms.

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Suppose I have the PDE:
<br /> \frac{\partial^{2}u}{\partial x^{2}}+\frac{\partial^{2}u}{\partial y^{2}}=\frac{1}{c^{2}} \frac{\partial^{2}u}{\partial t^{2}}<br />
with
<br /> u(0,x,y)=\partial_{t}u(0,x,y)=0<br />
along with u(t,0,y)=f(y) With x\geqslant 0. My initial thoughts were to take the Laplace transform in t and the Fourier transform in y to get:
<br /> \frac{\partial^{2}\hat{u}_{L}}{\partial x^{2}}-\left( k^{2}+\frac{s^{2}}{c^{2}}\right) \hat{u}_{L}=0<br />
The hat donates the Fourier transform and the subscript L denotes the Laplace transform. Treating this as a standard ODE to obtain:
<br /> \hat{u}_{L}=Ae^{x\sqrt{k^{2}+s^{2}c^{-2}}}+Be^{-x\sqrt{k^{2}+s^{2}c^{-2}}}<br />
Setting x=0 will show us that:
<br /> A+B=\hat{f}_{L}<br />
I have no other way of determining the other constant (this comes from a question in a book) and I have no idea how to get another boundary condition. I am also concerned about how to do my contour integral when I compute my inverse Laplace transform.

Any suggestions.
 
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hunt_mat said:
Any suggestions.

Perhaps consider the behaviour of your solution at large x?
 
I thought about that but it's a wave equation without damping, so physically that doesn't make sense, however I think that as c is the wave speed that for x>ct, the value should be zero and hence the solution has another condition:
<br /> u(t,ct,y)=0<br />
I would have to take the Laplace transform of this which I am not too sure how to do.
 
Isn't another common procedure with such problems to consider it on the whole real line of x-values, and then notice that both the PDE and initial condition are symmetric in x? And from this conclude that the solution also has to be symmetric under the transformation x <-> -x ?

In your case this would lead to A=B, no?

Torquil
 
Normally yes (I think) but the problem specifically says that the region is x\geqslant 0, so i don't think that we can apply that argument
 
I suspect that you can. Isn't that the whole point of the so-called "method of images"? Your problem would be the restriction to x >= 0 of the symmetric problem on the whole real line of x-values. I'm not ruling out that I can be wrong, though... :-)

Torquil
 
True enough, I will have a go and see if I get the right answer. So you suggestion means that A=B=\hat{f}_{L}/2 right?
 
I would guess so. I haven't really "gone over" your other math leading up to the expressions with A and B, though.

Btw, I think that my guess about using images assumes that both situations have a unique solution. That is not always the case for all PDEs. I've seen some cases where a unique solution is only obtained after imposing e.g. a restriction on the growth of the solution at large x. If solutions are not unique in your case, you might need to impose such a condition, e.g. large-x behaviour would then imply A=0.

This is like saying that you are searching for solutions within some more restricted function space, which could be bounded functions, L^2 functions, etc.

I don't really remember much about the theorems on uniqueness of solutions for the different PDEs...

Anyway, good luck!
 
Getting the unknown constants is one problem but taking the inverse transforms in another matter entirely.
 

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