Solving a Puzzling Problem: Equal and Opposite Forces on a Rod

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The discussion revolves around the dynamics of a uniform rod subjected to equal and opposite forces on a frictionless surface. Participants explore the implications of these forces on the motion of the rod, particularly focusing on the behavior of the center of mass and rotational dynamics.

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  • The original poster attempts to understand the motion of the rod when equal and opposite forces are applied. Some participants question the point of application of the forces and whether they affect the center of mass. Others discuss the resulting rotational motion and the implications of torque on angular momentum.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's confusion regarding the motion of the rod. There is a recognition that the center of mass does not translate under the conditions described, but the discussion remains open regarding the intuitive understanding of the situation and the mathematical complexities involved.

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There is an emphasis on the setup being a top-down view with specific forces applied by tapping the rod, which may influence the interpretation of the problem. The absence of weight and normal forces is noted, focusing solely on the applied forces.

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Here's a dumb question I came up with that I'm not seeing the answer to.

For any system of particles, F_ext = M a_cm. Consider a uniform rod lying on a frictionless surface:

-----------^
----------------
--------------v

Equal and opposite forces are exerted on the rod where the ^ and v are. The net external force is zero, so the center of mass, which is at the center of the rod, does not move. But obviously it would move if you applied those forces, right? The whole thing would rotate around a point between the two points of application.

I'm probably making a really stupid mistake in thinking about this, so some help would be appreciated.
 
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Why do you think that they have a different point of application? Both force vectors act at the center of mass.

-------^ N
-------|--------
-------v Fg

Or are you referring to some other forces, not the weight and the normal?
 
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Nope, no weight and normal. This is a top-down view and I apply those two forces myself by, say, tapping the rod there.
 
conquerer7 said:
Nope, no weight and normal. This is a top-down view and I apply those two forces myself by, say, tapping the rod there.

If you only give two taps at those points ,the final result will be a rotation about the center of mass along with a translational motion of the center of mass. Since you have a torque the rod will gain angular momentum .The motion of the rod exactly when the forces are applied is probably a mathematical mess.
 
Where does the translational motion of the CM come from? The net force is zero, so the acceleration of the CM should be zero as well, right?
 
Right. The center of mass wouldn't move, and the rod would rotate about it. That might not match up with what you intuitively think will happen, but that's what happens.
 

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