Solving a system of multivariable equations

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The discussion revolves around solving a system of multivariable equations involving differentiable functions. Participants explore how to find expressions for the derivatives dx/dz and dy/dz based on the given equations.

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  • One participant presents the system of equations and requests help in finding the derivatives dx/dz and dy/dz.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of showing progress in problem-solving to facilitate better assistance.
  • A participant reiterates the equations and suggests dividing them by dz to express the derivatives as unknowns, proposing that this approach could lead to a solution.
  • Another participant expresses a preference against treating derivatives as quotients of differentials but acknowledges that it may work in this context. They also raise a question about the conditions under which x and y can be considered differentiable functions of z, referencing the Implicit Function Theorem and the need for continuity of the derivatives of f and g.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to solving the problem, and there are differing opinions on the treatment of derivatives and the conditions for differentiability.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the continuity of the derivatives of the functions involved and the applicability of the Implicit Function Theorem, which remain unresolved.

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Consider the equation system

x*e^y + y*f(z) = a
x*g(x,y) +z^2 = b

where f(z) and g(x,y) are differentiable functions, and a and b are constants. Suppose that the system defines x and y as differentiable functions of z. Find expressions for dx/dz and dy/dz.

Any help would be appreciated!

Thank you!
 
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Hello maxjohnson and welcome to MHB! :D

We ask that our users show their progress (work thus far or thoughts on how to begin) when posting questions. This way our helpers can see where you are stuck or may be going astray and will be able to post the best help possible without potentially making a suggestion which you have already tried, which would waste your time and that of the helper.

Can you post what you have done so far?
 
This is what I’ve got so far:

1. dxe^y + dyxe^y + dyf(z) + yf’(z)dz = 0

2. g(x,y) + x(dg(x,y)/dx)dx + x(dg(x,y)/dy)dy = -2zdz
 
maxjohnson said:
This is what I’ve got so far:

1. dxe^y + dyxe^y + dyf(z) + yf’(z)dz = 0

2. g(x,y) + x(dg(x,y)/dx)dx + x(dg(x,y)/dy)dy = -2zdz

Hi maxjohnson! Welcome to MHB! (Smile)

Good.
Now divide both equations by dz, so that they will contain $\d x z$ and $\d y z$.
That means we have 2 equations with $\d x z$ and $\d y z$ as unknowns, which we can solve can't we? (Wondering)
(Click Reply With Quote if you want to know how to format derivatives like that.)
 
I'm not so fond of treating derivatives as quotients of differentials, but I think formally it works out here.

Without wanting to be argumentative, I would like to add some comments that I hope could be helpful for the OP and/or others. The original system from post #1 is
\[
\left\{
\begin{aligned}
x e^y + y f(z) &= a\\
x g(x,y) +z^2 &= b
\end{aligned}
\right.
\]
It was given that the system defines $x$ and $y$ as differentiable functions of $z$, but how do we find out whether this is indeed the case? This can be done together with the rest of the problem along the following lines, at least locally and provided that we are allowed to assume additionally that the derivatives of $f$ and $g$ are continuous.

The above system can be written as $F(x,y,z) = 0$ with $F : \mathbb{R}^2 \times \mathbb{R} \to \mathbb{R}^2$ given by
\[
F(x, y, z) =
\begin{pmatrix}
x e^y + y f(z) - a\\
x g(x,y) +z^2 - b
\end{pmatrix}
\]
Let $D_1F$ be the partial derivative of $F$ with respect to its first two arguments. At any point $(x_0,y_0,z_0) \in \mathbb{R}^3$ where $F(x_0,y_0,z_0) = 0$ and the $2 \times 2$ matrix $D_1F(x_0,y_0,z_0)$ is non-singular, the Implicit Function Theorem applies: There exists a continuously differentiable function $G$, defined in a neighborhood $U$ of $z_0$ and taking values in a neigborhood $V$ of $(x_0,y_0)$, such that for each $z \in U$ the equation $F(x,y,z) = 0$ has the unique solution $G(z) \in V$. We may differentiate the relation $F(G(z),z) = 0$ with respect to $z \in U$ to find
\[
D_1F(G(z),z)DG(z) + D_2F(G(z),z) = 0,
\]
so $DG(z) = -[D_1F(G(z),z)]^{-1}D_2F(G(z),z)$ for all $z \in U$. (The non-singularity of $D_1F(G(z_0),z_0)$ and the continuity of the derivatives of $f$ and $g$ are used together to ensure that the matrix inverse exists for $z$ near $z_0$.)
 

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