Solving Adiabatic Process for Diatomic Gas: Volume & Temp Change

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The problem involves an adiabatic process in a gasoline engine where the pressure of an air-fuel mixture, modeled as a diatomic ideal gas, changes significantly. Participants are tasked with determining the factors by which volume and temperature change during this process.

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  • Participants discuss the degrees of freedom for diatomic gases, questioning why vibrational motion is often neglected in certain contexts. There is mention of the Equipartition Principle and its applicability at different temperatures, as well as the implications of ignoring quantum effects.

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Some participants have provided insights regarding the degrees of freedom and the corresponding values for Cv and Cp, while others are exploring the implications of quantum effects on these values. The discussion reflects a mix of understanding and inquiry without reaching a consensus.

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There is a focus on the assumptions made regarding the behavior of diatomic gases at various temperatures, particularly in relation to vibrational modes and quantum effects. Participants are navigating the complexities of these assumptions in the context of the problem.

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1. The problem statement,
During the compression stroke of a certain gasoline engine, the pressure increases from 1 atm to 20 atm. If the process is adiabatic and the air–fuel mixture behaves as a diatomic ideal gas,
(a) by what factor does the volume change and
(b) by what factor does the temperature change?




when i searched on the internet for Cv and Cp for diatmoic gas i found it to be 5/2 R



and i don't know why they consider the transitional and rotational motion only for the degree of freedoms and why they neglect the vibration motion i think it should be 7/2 R for Cv and 9/2 R for Cp
 
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The Equipartition Principle applies only at temperatures where the thermal energy KBT is well above the excitation energy of the vibrational mode of the molecule. The energy of vibration motion of two-atomic molecules is in the range 0.2-0.5 eV.

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HemaZ said:
1. The problem statement,
During the compression stroke of a certain gasoline engine, the pressure increases from 1 atm to 20 atm. If the process is adiabatic and the air–fuel mixture behaves as a diatomic ideal gas,
(a) by what factor does the volume change and
(b) by what factor does the temperature change?




when i searched on the internet for Cv and Cp for diatmoic gas i found it to be 5/2 R



and i don't know why they consider the transitional and rotational motion only for the degree of freedoms and why they neglect the vibration motion i think it should be 7/2 R for Cv and 9/2 R for Cp

Basically, what they are saying is "Ignore Quantum effects" And then you have 5 degrees of freedom. So then you have to use 5/2 instead of 7/2. Basically, it's just to save you time.
 
ok thanks ehild And TheAustrian i got it :)
 
TheAustrian said:
Basically, what they are saying is "Ignore Quantum effects" And then you have 5 degrees of freedom. So then you have to use 5/2 instead of 7/2. Basically, it's just to save you time.
?? There would be 7 degrees of freedom if one was to "ignore quantum effects". The Cv of an ideal diatomic gas is 5/2 except at very low and very high temperatures BECAUSE of quantum effects (e.g. the "freezing out" of vibrational modes except at very high temperatures), as shown in ehild's excellent chart.

AM
 

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