Solving an equation for ##x## involving inverse circular functions

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The discussion revolves around solving an equation for ##x## that involves inverse circular functions, specifically the arctangent function. Participants explore the implications of the equation and the potential solutions, including the consideration of both positive and negative values for ##x##.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the substitution of ##x = \tan \theta## and the resulting transformations of the equation. There are questions about the validity of the negative solution ##-\frac{1}{\sqrt{3}}## and whether it satisfies the original equation. Some participants suggest checking if this value is indeed a solution.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations being explored. Some participants express doubts about the book's answer and suggest that it may be a typo. Others are investigating the conditions under which multiple solutions may arise, particularly in relation to the parameter ##k## in the equation.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of the principal value of the arctangent function and the restrictions on the angle ##\theta## when using the tangent and arctangent functions. There is also mention of the potential for solutions outside the typical range of the arctangent function.

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Homework Statement
Solve the following equation : ##\pmb{\tan^{-1}\frac{1-x}{1+x}=\frac{1}{2}\tan^{-1}x}##
Relevant Equations
1. If ##\tan\theta=1\Rightarrow \theta =\tan^{-1} 1 = \tfrac{\pi}{4}##, ##\underline{\text{the principal value}}##.
2. ##\tan(A-B) = \frac{\tan A - \tan B}{1+\tan A \tan B}##
Problem Statement : Solve for ##x## :
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Attempt : If I take ##x=\tan\theta##, the L.H.S. reads $$\tan^{-1}\frac{1-\tan\theta}{1+\tan\theta}= \tan^{-1}\left[\tan\left(\frac{\pi}{4}-\theta \right) \right ]=\frac{\pi}{4}-\theta.$$

On going back to ##x## from ##\theta##, the given equation now reads : $$\frac{\pi}{4}-\tan^{-1}x = \frac{1}{2}\tan^{-1}x\Rightarrow \tan^{-1}x=\frac{2}{3}\times \frac{\pi}{4}=\frac{\pi}{6}\Rightarrow \boxed{x=\frac{1}{\sqrt{3}}}.$$

Answer : I copy and paste the answer from the book :
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Doubt : Where does the answer ##-\frac{1}{\sqrt{3}}## come from? If we take the principal value of ##\tan^{-1}1=\dfrac{\pi}{4}##, I don't see how there can be a second answer.

A hint or suggestion will be welcome.
 
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I can't work through this at the moment. What I would do is to check whether ##-\frac 1{\sqrt 3}## is a solution of the original equation. If not, the book's answer is a typo.
 
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brotherbobby said:
Attempt : If I take ##x=\tan\theta##, the L.H.S. reads $$\tan^{-1}\frac{1-\tan\theta}{1+\tan\theta}= \tan^{-1}\left[\tan\left(\frac{\pi}{4}-\theta \right) \right ]=\frac{\pi}{4}-\theta.$$

Note that ##\tan^{-1}\tan x = x## only when ##x \in (-\frac \pi 2, \frac \pi 2)##
 
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Although, in this case this subtlety does not produce a second solution.
 
I did a bit of investigating. If we try: $$\tan^{-1}\frac{1-x}{1+x} = k\tan^{-1}x$$then we always get one solution (for ##k > -1##). And, we get a second solution for ##\frac 1 2 < k < 2##.

There is almost a second solution for ##k = \frac 1 2##, which is ##x \rightarrow -\infty##, or ##\theta = -\frac \pi 2##.
 
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I think there's a typo in the answer for ##x = -\frac 1 {\sqrt 3}##
From Excel, with that value, ##\arctan(\frac{1 - x}{1 + x}) \approx 1.308997##, while ##.5\arctan x \approx -0.2618##.
 
Mark44 said:
I think there's a typo in the answer for ##x = -\frac 1 {\sqrt 3}##
From Excel, with that value, ##\arctan(\frac{1 - x}{1 + x}) \approx 1.308997##, while ##.5\arctan x \approx -0.2618##.
Try ##x## large and negative instead!
 
PeroK said:
Try x large and negative instead!
I was just comparing the two posted solutions.
 
PeroK said:
I did a bit of investigating. If we try: $$\tan^{-1}\frac{1-x}{1+x} = k\tan^{-1}x$$then we always get one solution (for ##k > -1##). And, we get a second solution for ##\frac 1 2 < k < 2##.

There is almost a second solution for ##k = \frac 1 2##, which is ##x \rightarrow -\infty##, or ##\theta = -\frac \pi 2##.
Just to correct this after having double-checked everything. ##x = \tan \theta## is a solution, where
$$\theta = \frac{\pi}{4(k+1)} \ \ (k < -2 \ or \ k > -\frac 1 2)$$ $$\theta = \frac{-3\pi}{4(k+1)} \ \ (\frac 1 2 < k < 2)$$ And we have two solutions when ##\frac 1 2 < k < 2##. For example, with ##k = 1## we have:
$$\theta = -\frac{3\pi}{8} \ and \ \theta = \frac{\pi}{8}$$
 
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PS I think you learn a lot more about these equations by working out the general case, than doing one problem with a specific value of ##k = \frac 1 2 ## and then moving on.
 
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Mark44 said:
I think there's a typo in the answer for ##x = -\frac 1 {\sqrt 3}##
From Excel, with that value, ##\arctan(\frac{1 - x}{1 + x}) \approx 1.308997##, while ##.5\arctan x \approx -0.2618##.
The difference between those two values is ##\pi/2##. It looks like they're getting a second solution from
$$\frac \pi 4 - \theta = \frac 12 (\theta + \pi),$$ which implies ##\theta = -\frac \pi 6##.
 
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vela said:
The difference between those two values is ##\pi/2##. It looks like they're getting a second solution from
$$\frac \pi 4 - \theta = \frac 12 (\theta + \pi),$$ which implies ##\theta = -\frac \pi 6##.
And the problem with that is that it requires ##\frac \pi 4 - \theta < -\frac \pi 2##. Which requires ##\theta > \frac{3\pi}{4}##. That would give the equivalent solution of ##\theta = \frac{5\pi}{6}##. But, when we set up ##x = \tan \theta## we needed a single range for ##\theta##, such as ##\theta \in (-\frac \pi 2, \frac \pi 2)##.

In other words, solutions with ##\theta## outside this range must be excluded.

Note that in general we may have ##\frac \pi 4 - \theta > \frac \pi 2##, which happens if ##-\frac \pi 2 < \theta < -\frac \pi 4##. That's why we get a second solution for some values of ##k##.

Ironically, the book got the completely wrong solution ##\theta = -\frac \pi 6##, but missed the near solution ##\theta = -\frac \pi 2##, which equates to infinitely large negative ##x##.
 
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Thank you all for your comments. I am the creator (OP) of this thread and I lost most of what you said towards the end. For now I respond to @Mark44 's post #2 :
Mark44 said:
What I would do is to check whether ##-\tfrac{1}{\sqrt{3}}##is a solution of the original equation. If not, the book's answer is a typo.
Problem Statement : Solve the equation :
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Attempt : I have solved the problem in my post #1 above. I got the answer ##\boxed{x = \tfrac{1}{\sqrt{3}}}##.

Issue : The text gives the answer : ##\pmb{x = \pm \frac{1}{\sqrt{3}}}##. Where does it get the answer ##x=-\tfrac{1}{\sqrt{3}}## from, when we know that the principal value of ##\tan^{-1}(1) = \tfrac{\pi}{4}##? (see my solutions in post#1 above).

Resolution : Let me put ##x=-\tfrac{1}{\sqrt{3}}## on both sides of the equation to see if the answers match.

L.H.S. = ##\tan^{-1}\frac{1+\frac{1}{\sqrt{3}}}{1-\frac{1}{\sqrt{3}}}= \tan^{-1}\frac{\sqrt{3}+1}{\sqrt{3}-1}=-\tan^{-1}\frac{1+\sqrt{3}}{1-\sqrt{3}}=-\tan^{-1}\left[ \tan\left(\pi/4+\pi/3 \right) \right]=-7\pi/12##.

R.H.S. = ##\frac{1}{2}\tan^{-1}\left(-\frac{1}{\sqrt{3}}\right)=-\frac{1}{2}\tan^{-1}\frac{1}{\sqrt{3}} = -\frac{1}{2}\times\frac{\pi}{6} = -\pi/12.##

Clearly the two sides are different when ##x = -1/\sqrt 3##, unless I am mistaken in my workings above.

That should be enough to rule out ##x = -1/\sqrt 3## as a solution to the given equation.
 
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PeroK said:
Note that ##\tan^{-1}\tan x = x## only when ##x \in (-\frac \pi 2, \frac \pi 2)##
I did not understand, so if you can explain.

Isn't it always the case that ##\tan (\tan^{-1}x) = x##, irrespective of the value of ##x##?

Of course I am aware that ##\tan \pi/2## blows up.
 
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brotherbobby said:
I did not understand, so if you can explain.

Isn't it always the case that ##\tan (\tan^{-1}x) = x##, irrespective of the value of ##x##?

Of course I am aware that ##\tan \pi/2## blows up.
Yes, ##\tan (\tan^{-1}x) = x##. But, ##\tan^{-1} (\tan x) = x## only when ##x \in (-\frac \pi 2, \frac \pi 2)##
 
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brotherbobby said:
That should be enough to rule out ##x = -1/\sqrt 3## as a solution to the given equation.
Yes, the book is wrong. But, likewise, you potentially missed a second solution. In this case, ##\theta = -\frac \pi 2## is a solution of sorts.
 

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