Solving an equation involving factorials

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The discussion revolves around finding positive integer solutions \(x\) and \(y\) for the equation \(\frac{1}{x} + \frac{1}{y} = \frac{1}{N!}\), where \(N\) is a natural number. Participants explore properties of these solutions, implications of the equation, and potential methods for finding solutions, particularly for \(N > 2\).

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the equation can be rearranged to yield \(\frac{xy}{x+y} = N!\), leading to the conclusion that \(x + y \mod xy = 0\).
  • Another participant notes that assuming \(x > y\) leads to the conclusion that \(y\) must be less than or equal to \(2N!\), indicating a finite number of solutions.
  • A participant expresses interest in the number of solutions, indicating that it is a noteworthy result.
  • One participant reiterates the original problem statement and proposes a method for finding solutions based on the condition that \(-\frac{yN!}{N! - y}\) must be an integer.
  • Another participant introduces a conic equation \(N! x + N! y - xy = 0\) and discusses finding rational solutions through lines with rational slopes, providing a formula for the solutions in terms of a rational parameter \(t\).

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Participants generally agree on the structure of the problem and the implications of the equation, but there are multiple approaches and methods proposed for finding solutions, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with competing views on the best method.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not reached a consensus on a closed form solution for \(x\) and \(y\), and the discussion includes various assumptions and conditions that may affect the generalizability of the proposed methods.

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Splitting the reciprocal of a factorial into a sum of reciprocals of positive integer

I'm interested in finding all positive integers x, y such that [itex]{1 \over x} + {1 \over y} = {1 \over N!}[/itex], [itex]N \in \mathbb{N}[/itex]. I think it's best to gather as many properties of solutions as possible, to make this problem as computationally simple as possible. I'm not sure if there's a closed form solution for (x, y) here. This is trivial for small N, but let's take N > 2.

If x, y are solutions for a given N!, we immediately get [itex]{{x + y} \over {xy}} = {1 \over N!} \implies {{xy} \over {x + y}} = N![/itex]. Since the right-side is an integer, we get [itex]x + y \mod xy = 0[/itex]. Also, x = y always gives the solution x = y = 2N!, so let's assume without losing generality that x > y > 1.

Anything else ...? Maybe even a rapid solution?
 
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Without loss of generality, we can assume that x>y., But then

[tex]\frac{2}{y}\geq \frac{1}{x}+\frac{1}{y}=\frac{1}{N!}[/tex]

So [tex]2N!\geq y[/tex].

So this shows that there are a finite number of solutions, and that all solutions must have

[tex]y\in \{1,2,...,2N!\}[/tex]

Of course, this is only a small step and won't help in solving the general case.
 
No, the number of solutions is a pretty cool result. Thanks!
 


Dr. Seafood said:
I'm interested in finding all positive integers x, y such that [itex]{1 \over x} + {1 \over y} = {1 \over N!}[/itex], [itex]N \in \mathbb{N}[/itex]. I think it's best to gather as many properties of solutions as possible, to make this problem as computationally simple as possible. I'm not sure if there's a closed form solution for (x, y) here. This is trivial for small N, but let's take N > 2.

If x, y are solutions for a given N!, we immediately get [itex]{{x + y} \over {xy}} = {1 \over N!} \implies {{xy} \over {x + y}} = N![/itex]. Since the right-side is an integer, we get [itex]x + y \mod xy = 0[/itex]. Also, x = y always gives the solution x = y = 2N!, so let's assume without losing generality that x > y > 1.

Anything else ...? Maybe even a rapid solution?
For a given N, whenever [itex]{-yN! \over N! - y}[/itex] is an integer you should have a solution. Just solved for x.
 
OK, let's delve some deeper. I suggest reading http://mathcircle.berkeley.edu/BMC4/Handouts/elliptic/node4.html

In general, you want to know the integer solutions to

[tex]N! x+N! y-xy=0[/tex]

You already know such a solution (0,0). Now there's an easy way to find all the rational solutions (of which there are infinitely many).

We consider all lines through (0,0) with rational slope. These lines have the form y=tx or x=0. Each of these lines will intersect our conic in another point, which will be rational. In fact, let's calculate the intersection of y=tx and our conic [tex]N! x+N! y-xy=0[/tex]

Substiting y=tx in the equation of the conic yields

[tex]N! x+t N! x- tx^2=0[/tex]

Thus

[tex]x((1+t)N!-tx)=0[/tex]

thus x=0 or [itex]x=\frac{(1+t)N!}{t}[/itex]. The corresponding y is [itex]y=(1+t)N![/itex].

So all the rational solutions are of the form

[tex]x=\frac{(1+t)N!}{t}~\text{and}~y=(1+t)N![/tex]

with t rational.
 
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