Solving Boat Movement without External Force Applied

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the movement of a boat when two men of different weights move towards the center. Participants explore the implications of the center of mass (COM) and whether the boat moves without external forces acting on it, considering various physical principles and assumptions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the boat will move due to the movement of the men, as their weights create an imbalance in the center of mass of the system.
  • Others argue that if the boat and the men are considered as a single system, the center of mass remains stationary, suggesting that no movement occurs without external forces.
  • A participant proposes that the boat will experience a constant acceleration due to the weight difference, while another later corrects this to state that the system will have a constant velocity instead.
  • Some participants question the conditions under which the boat's movement is observable, noting that the acceleration might be too small to perceive.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of the center of mass being off-center and its relation to propulsion, with some participants referencing known systems that utilize similar principles.
  • One participant emphasizes the need for mathematical proof regarding the boat's movement and the effects of weight distribution.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of displaced water mass and its role in the boat's movement, suggesting that this complicates the calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the boat moves and under what conditions. There is no consensus on the implications of the center of mass or the effects of the men's movement on the boat's motion.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include assumptions about the system's isolation from external forces, the negligible effects of friction, and the complexity introduced by the displacement of water. The discussion also highlights the need for clarity in defining the system being analyzed.

  • #31
Dickfore said:
How did you conclude this? What physical principle did you use to justify your conclusion?


How did you get the final coordinates? What formulas did you use?


This is not rotation. It does not even describe uniform motion, since there is no change of coordinates with time.

I simulated the system using Blender (with real world physics engine and fluid dynamics pack) and system behaved as I guessed it to behave. Who mentioned about uniform motion ? It's not a linear motion over time please read my posts again.
 
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  • #32
y33t said:
I simulated the system using Blender (with real world physics engine and fluid dynamics pack) and system behaved as I guessed it to behave. Who mentioned about uniform motion ? It's not a linear motion over time please read my posts again.

lol.
 

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