Solving differential equation with a step impulse.

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The discussion revolves around solving a differential equation related to an RLC circuit, specifically focusing on the behavior of charge through an inductor when subjected to a step impulse. Participants explore various methods for solving the equation, including the use of the Laplace transform and direct methods, while addressing the implications of different damping constants.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the differential equation and expresses difficulty in solving it, questioning whether the Laplace transform is the appropriate method.
  • Another participant confirms that the Laplace transform should work and suggests solving the homogeneous equation first, noting the need for a particular solution for the inhomogeneous equation.
  • A different participant questions the terminology used, specifically the term "step impulse," and suggests that it may refer to a unit impulse instead, indicating a potential misunderstanding in the problem setup.
  • One participant clarifies that the charge q is associated with a capacitor rather than an inductor, emphasizing the relationships between charge and current in the circuit.
  • Another participant advises on the necessity of learning how to invert the Laplace transform and suggests using partial fractions to simplify the expression.
  • A later reply encourages sharing a Laplace transform pair table to assist in choosing the best transform pairs for the problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the terminology and the correct interpretation of the problem, particularly regarding the nature of the impulse and the components of the circuit. There is no consensus on the best approach to solving the differential equation, as various methods are proposed and debated.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the definitions of terms like "step impulse" and the implications of different damping constants on the solution. Additionally, participants highlight the importance of correctly applying the Laplace transform and understanding the inversion process.

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Solving differential with a step impulse.

Hi,
I have problem I know I should be able to do but I've been stuck on it for a while. Just looking to be pointed in the right direction.

(dq^2/d^2t) + 2*ζ*ω*dq/dt + (ω^2)*q = u(t)/L

Where u(t) is a step impulse, q is the charge through an inductor. So q and dq/dt (the current) are both = 0 at t = 0.

So I have to solve q(t) for the damping constant ζ <1, >1 and =0.

I tried getting the laplace of it and then getting Q(t) on one side but solving the inverse laplace of the result from tables is impossible and I'm not sure that's how this is supposed to be solved as I've seen many different solutions to similar problems.

Is Laplace the right thing to do? And if so what am I missing to solve it.
If not Laplace then what? Should I be plugging in an e^-st for q or something?

Thanks any help is appreciated.
 
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The Laplace transform should of course work. The back transformation is usually done using complex integration an the theorem of residues etc.

A direct way is to solve the equation directly. You first need the full solution of the homogeneous equation, i.e., with vanishing right-hand side. For \zeta \neq 1 a simple exponential ansatz leads to two linearly independent solutions, and for \zeta=1 you get one exponential solution and another one of the form t \exp(-\omega t).

Finally you need one particular solution of the inhomogeneous equation, and for t&gt;0 the right-hand side is simply a constant. Thus the ansatz q(t)=\text{const} gives you such a solution. Now you put everything together and use the freedom from the two parameters in the superposition of the two independent solutions of the homogeneous equation to fix your boundary conditions.
 
What is a step impulse? I've heard of a unit step and a unit impulse, but not a step impulse. If you meant a unit impulse, then there should not be an s in the first brackets. To invert the transform, you need to complete the square in the second brackets; or use the quadratic formula to factor the second brackets, and then separate into partial fractions.

Chet
 
Fionn00 said:
Hi,
I have problem I know I should be able to do but I've been stuck on it for a while. Just looking to be pointed in the right direction.

(dq^2/d^2t) + 2*ζ*ω*dq/dt + (ω^2)*q = u(t)/L

Where u(t) is a step impulse, q is the charge through an inductor. So q and dq/dt (the current) are both = 0 at t = 0.
Apparently, you're analyzing an RLC circuit with the three elements in series. q is the charge on the capacitor, not the inductor, and dq/dt is therefore the current flowing through the capacitor. Now because the elements are in series, dq/dt is also the current that flows through the resistor and inductor.

So I have to solve q(t) for the damping constant ζ <1, >1 and =0.

I tried getting the laplace of it and then getting Q(t) on one side but solving the inverse laplace of the result from tables is impossible and I'm not sure that's how this is supposed to be solved as I've seen many different solutions to similar problems.

Is Laplace the right thing to do? And if so what am I missing to solve it.
If not Laplace then what? Should I be plugging in an e^-st for q or something?

Thanks any help is appreciated.
Laplace is fine, but you need to learn how to invert the transform. What did you get for Q(s)? Use partial fractions to break it up into terms with linear or quadratic denominators.
 
To help you choose the best transform pairs it would be helpful if you could scan or take a picture of your Laplace transform pair table.
 

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