Solving differential equation x'' = ax

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The discussion revolves around the differential equation x'' = a*x, with a focus on understanding the implications of taking the limit as a approaches zero. The original poster raises questions about the validity of this limit, particularly in relation to the units of 'a' and how they interact with the equation.

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  • Participants explore the implications of the limit a -> 0, questioning how to reconcile the units of 'a' with the equation. There are discussions about whether to consider the limit of 'a' alone or the entire right-hand side of the equation.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some providing insights into the necessity of matching units in the equation. There is recognition of the confusion surrounding the limit and its implications, and some guidance has been offered regarding the approach to take.

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There is an ongoing discussion about the nature of limits involving quantities with units, and how to appropriately define the limit in a way that maintains dimensional consistency. The original poster expresses confusion about the implications of the exercise's requirements.

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Homework Statement



We have the differential equation x''=a*x. If a=0 then the motion is:
X(t)=Xo+Vo*t [1]
a)Prove (by solving the dif. equation) for a<>0 (both a>0 and a<0) that when we take the limit a->0, motion will be given by [1].
b)BUT "a" has units [T^-2] and 0 is just a number, so the limit a->0 is not well defined. What is the correct form of the limit?



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I have some problem with question b.
If 0 is just a number then we must have a simple number on the left side of the limit. So i assume that i have to write it this way:
a[T^2]-->0
so that the units of "a" (T^-2) and T^2 will cansel its other.
What do you think?

PS. Sorry for my bad english.. I translated it from greek to english o:)
 
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Not quite. Consider you expression; x''=ax . Now, on the left you have units of m.s-2 (x'' is acceleration) and therefore on the RHS you must also have units of m.s-2. So, what can you do to;

[tex]\lim_{a\to 0} a[/tex]

To make it have units of m.s-2?
 
lim(a) with a->0, must have units s^-2.
But i still don't get the problem! :S
We have a quantity with units 1/s^2 that goes to zero. so x''=0 m/s^2.
Why is there any problem?
Help me a little more :S
 
The problem is that if you only take the limit of a, the units on the LHS (m.s-2) don't match the units on the RHS (s-2). This cannot happen, you must have matching units. Try taking the limit [itex]a\to0[/itex] of the whole of the RHS, what units do you get now?
 
We must take the limit of the whole RHS -lim(a*x)- because x depends on a (and t). Right?
limx''=lim(a*x)

(I must be very stupid :@)
 
JK423 said:
We must take the limit of the whole RHS -lim(a*x)- because x depends on a (and t). Right?
limx''=lim(a*x)
Correct! :approve:
JK423 said:
(I must be very stupid :@)
Not at all. To be quite honest, at first I wasn't sure myself , I've never seen this type of quetion come up before.
 
But i still don't get it!
The exercise sais that the limit a->0 is not well defined because a has units while 0 has none (just a number). What does that mean..?
It looks to me that it doesn't have to do with the "limx''=lim(a*x)" part ...
Im sooo confused,
confused to death :P
 
Any help guys? ..
 
I asked my proffessor and i`ll write his answer here for those who are curious about it:
A quantity with units lacks of meaning to be considered very small because it depends on the units it has. For example, Earth's length is very small according to astronomical units (like light-year), but is Earth small?? It`s size must be compared with something in order to say that its very small. So, by multiplying the differential equation with a spesific unit of time, the quantity a T^2 will be adimensional so we can move on and consider it very small. Moreover when we find the solution and substitute the initial conditions we will have:

x(t)=(v0/sqrt(a))sin(sqrt(a)t)+x0 cos(sqrt(a)t)=
(v0 T /sqrt(a T^2))sin(sqrt(a T^2)t/T)+
x0 cos(sqrt(a T^2)t/T).

In that way, the coefficient of sin has units of length (v0 T) divided by a number which can be considered very small.



Hope that you all enjoyed the answer :D
 

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