Solving Differential Response Problems in EE Circuit Analysis

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around solving differential response problems in electrical engineering circuit analysis, specifically focusing on finding the function x(t) given its derivative y(t). Participants are addressing a homework problem that involves integrating y(t) to find x(t) under different conditions.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in understanding how to derive the integers in the provided answers, suggesting they might be forgetting a constant.
  • Another participant points out the need to include the constant from the initial condition x(1)=1 and encourages checking the difference between their solution and the given solution.
  • A participant mentions that their answer resolves to 1/3, while the correct answer is 1, indicating a potential misunderstanding in applying the constant of integration.
  • There is a request for clarification on how to properly add the constant in part b, noting that the given answer matches the initial condition.
  • One participant speculates that the issue may lie with the limits of integration but is uncertain.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct approach to incorporating the constant of integration or the limits of integration. Multiple competing views and uncertainties remain regarding the correct interpretation of the problem and the integration process.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the application of integration constants and the limits of integration, which may affect their solutions. There is also a mention of potentially rusty calculus skills, which could influence their understanding of the problem.

thundercleese
Messages
3
Reaction score
0
I get close to the answer but just not seeing where the integers in the answers are coming from, perhaps forgetting a constant? This is a EE circuit analysis class.

Homework Statement



Given y(t) = dx(t)/dt
a. Find x(t) if y(t)=
0 : t<0;​
e[itex]^{-t}[/itex] : t>0​
b. Find x(t) for t=1 if x(1)=1 and y(t)=t[itex]^{2}[/itex] for t[itex]\geq[/itex]1


The Attempt at a Solution



Part a
y(t)=[itex]\frac{dx(t)}{dt}[/itex]

when y(t) = 0:
∫0 = ∫[itex]\frac{dx(t)}{dt}[/itex]
0 = x(t) (this part agrees with given answer)

when y(t) = e[itex]^{-t}[/itex]:
∫ e[itex]^{-t}[/itex]=∫[itex]\frac{dx(t)}{dt}[/itex]
-e[itex]^{-t}[/itex]=x(t)

part b, y(t)=t[itex]^{2}[/itex]:

∫t[itex]^{2}[/itex] = ∫[itex]\frac{dx(t)}{dt}[/itex]
[itex]\frac{1}{3}[/itex]t[itex]^{3}[/itex] = x(t)

Given answers:

part a: 0, t[itex]\leq[/itex]0; (1-e[itex]^{-t}[/itex]), t[itex]\geq[/itex]0

part b: [itex]\frac{1}{3}[/itex](2+t[itex]^{3}[/itex]), t [itex]\geq[/itex]1
 
Physics news on Phys.org
thundercleese said:
I get close to the answer but just not seeing where the integers in the answers are coming from, perhaps forgetting a constant? This is a EE circuit analysis class.

Homework Statement



Given y(t) = dx(t)/dt
a. Find x(t) if y(t)=
0 : t<0;​
e[itex]^{-t}[/itex] : t>0​
b. Find x(t) for t=1 if x(1)=1 and y(t)=t[itex]^{2}[/itex] for t[itex]\geq[/itex]1

The Attempt at a Solution



Part a
y(t)=[itex]\frac{dx(t)}{dt}[/itex]

when y(t) = 0:
∫0 = ∫[itex]\frac{dx(t)}{dt}[/itex]
0 = x(t) (this part agrees with given answer)

when y(t) = e[itex]^{-t}[/itex]:
∫ e[itex]^{-t}[/itex]=∫[itex]\frac{dx(t)}{dt}[/itex]
-e[itex]^{-t}[/itex]=x(t)

part b, y(t)=t[itex]^{2}[/itex]:

∫t[itex]^{2}[/itex] = ∫[itex]\frac{dx(t)}{dt}[/itex]
[itex]\frac{1}{3}[/itex]t[itex]^{3}[/itex] = x(t)

Given answers:

part a: 0, t[itex]\leq[/itex]0; (1-e[itex]^{-t}[/itex]), t[itex]\geq[/itex]0

part b: [itex]\frac{1}{3}[/itex](2+t[itex]^{3}[/itex]), t [itex]\geq[/itex]1

Welcome to the PF.

Yeah, you have to include the constant from the initial condition x(1)=1. Plug t=1 into your solution for b, and plug it into the given solution. Do you see the difference?
 
I do, my answer resolves to 1/3 whereas the correct answer resolves to 1. My calculus is a bit rusty but adding the +C for the constant of integration didn't get me any closer to the 1 in part a or the 2 in part b.
 
thundercleese said:
I do, my answer resolves to 1/3 whereas the correct answer resolves to 1. My calculus is a bit rusty but adding the +C for the constant of integration didn't get me any closer to the 1 in part a or the 2 in part b.

Could you show your work on adding the constant in part b? The answer given matches the initial condition, and your answer should match it too. The form of their answer looks a little weird, but if you expand terms, it goes into the standard form.
 
I didn't get beyond adding a C to the right side. I think the problem may be with the limits of the integration but I'm not sure, hence my post here.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 28 ·
Replies
28
Views
4K
  • · Replies 16 ·
Replies
16
Views
2K
Replies
23
Views
7K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
3K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 16 ·
Replies
16
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K