Solving equation involving a variable and its logarithm

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The discussion revolves around finding a general analytical solution to the equation involving a logarithm and a variable, specifically the equation \(\ln(x^{3/2}) - bx - c = 0\), where \(x\) is a positive real variable and \(b\) and \(c\) are positive real constants. The scope includes analytical and numerical methods for solving the equation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that there is no analytical solution and that the equation should be solved numerically.
  • Another participant proposes that the problem can be interpreted as finding the intersection of the curve \(y = \ln(x)\) and the line \(y = \frac{2(bx + c)}{3}\), noting that solutions may not exist for all values of \(a\) and \(b\).
  • A later reply challenges the assertion of no analytical solution and asks for proof of this claim.
  • One participant introduces the Lambert W function, suggesting that it could provide a solution, but expresses doubt about whether the mathematics community classifies it as an analytical solution.
  • Another participant argues that the W-function is an analytic function and therefore qualifies as an "analytic solution."
  • There is a clarification regarding the distinction between "analytic function" and "analytic expression," indicating some confusion among participants.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on whether an analytical solution exists, with some asserting that numerical methods are necessary while others propose the Lambert W function as a potential solution. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the classification of the Lambert W function and its implications for the existence of an analytical solution.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the definitions of analytical solutions and the conditions under which the Lambert W function provides real solutions. The discussion also highlights the dependence on the parameters \(b\) and \(c\) and the conditions for \(x\) being positive.

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Can you suggest a general analytical solution to the following equation

\ln(x^{3/2})-bx-c=0

where x is real positive variable and b and c are real positive
constants.
 
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There is no analytical solution. It should be solved numerically.
 
Sure - it is the intersection of ##y=\ln(x)## with the line ##y=2(bx+c)/3##.
Note: ##\ln(x)## is only defined for ##x>0##.

Solutions will not exist for all a and b.
In general you'll need a numerical solution.
 
Shyan said:
There is no analytical solution.
You're probably right, but ... can you prove it?
 
Depends on whether or not you classify the Lambert W function as an analytical solution (I doubt the mathematics community does).

$$\ln(x^{\frac{3}{2}}) = b x + c \\
x = \exp( \frac{2}{3}bx + \frac{2}{3}c) \\
x \exp(- \frac{2}{3} bx) = \exp( \frac{2}{3}c) \\
- \frac{2}{3} b x \exp(- \frac{2}{3}bx) = -\frac{2}{3} b \exp( \frac{2}{3}c) \\
- \frac{2}{3} b x = W_n(-\frac{2}{3} b \exp( \frac{2}{3}c)) \\
x = - \frac{3 W_n(-\frac{2}{3} b \exp( \frac{2}{3}c))}{2 b}$$

For a real x > 0, b \neq 0 and n \in \mathbb{Z}. Only n=-1, 0 can provide real solutions, though.
 
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The W-function is certainly an analytic function so I would call that an "analytic solution".
 
Looks like confusion between "analytic function" and "analytic expression".
 

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