Solving Equations: Exact and Decimal Forms

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The discussion revolves around solving trigonometric equations involving cosine and tangent functions. The original poster presents two equations and expresses difficulty in finding solutions in both exact and decimal forms.

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  • The original poster attempts to manipulate the equations but struggles with the algebraic steps and the implications of their transformations. Some participants suggest re-evaluating the approach to the equations by changing the argument and using different forms of the trigonometric functions.

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Participants are actively engaging in clarifying the steps needed to solve the equations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the correct order of operations and the implications of manipulating the equations. There is an ongoing exploration of the correct values and methods to proceed with the solutions.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the manipulation of terms and the application of trigonometric identities. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the correctness of their calculations and the validity of their results.

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Find a solution to the equation if possible.
Give the answer in exact form and in decimal form.

1 = 8cos(2x + 1) - 3
1 = 8tan(2x + 1) - 3

I don't know how to do this one.. but I know how to do the simpler ones like..

2 = 5sin(3x)
2/5 = sin(3x)
(sin-1(2/5)) / 3 = 0.137172

Those are easier... but the one I've said before...

1 = 8cos(2x + 1) - 3 is tough..
1/8 = cos(2x + 1) - 3
3.125 = cos(2x + 1)
{[cos-1(3.125)] / 2} - 1

Is this correct thus far, and if it is... cos-1(3.125) is nonreal. So I guess there are no solutions...

How about this one?

1 = 8tan(2x + 1) - 3
1/8 = tan(2x + 1) - 3
3.125 = tan(2x + 1)
{[tan-1(3.125)] / 2} - 1 = -0.369453

But, the right side doesn't evaluate to 1 when you plug -0.369453 in for x :frown:

I don't know where to go with these.
 
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First, this is a "calc and beyond" and this is a trig question. Second, call the argument something like u. The problem "looks" a whole lot easier this way. Next try chaning the tangent function into another form, namely sines and cosines. You'll find the answer falls out rather quickly.
 
Jacobpm64 said:
1 = 8cos(2x + 1) - 3 is tough..
1/8 = cos(2x + 1) - 3
Ouch! You probably learned that multiplying by 8 on one side, is dividing by it on the other side.
However: there's the -3 that has to go first! It's better to remember the rules:
- you may multiply both sides with a non-zero number
- you may add the same number to both sides

Now, if you'd want to get rid of the 8, you'd have to multiply both sides with 1/8, but that would also give -3/8 on the right side, and no longer a -3.
What you would probably do is first add 3 to both sides (i.e. changing sides of -3), giving 1+3 = 8cos(2x + 1). Now you can remove the 8, giving:

4/8 = cos(2x + 1) <=> cos(2x + 1) = 1/2.

And a cosine can surely be 1/2, so this will have a solution, actually two.
You're making the same mistake with the tan-equation.
 
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haha, sometimes it's fun to laugh at our own stupidity...

Why did I think the right side was a monomial for some reason? I guess I just didn't look at it like I should have. This is a lot easier than I was making it out to be.

Thanks for pointing out my idiocy though lol.
 
so, let's try that again...

1 = 8cos(2x + 1) - 3
4 = 8cos(2x + 1)
1/2 = cos(2x + 1)

Where do I go from here? .. I'm not sure

{[cos-1(1/2)] / 2} - 1 = -0.476401

But that answer doesn't work when plugged back in for x..
 
You made the same mistake again, you got to cos-1(1/2)=2x+1 OK, but then you divided by 2 without dividing the 1!
 
cos(u)= 1/2 gives [itex]u= \frac{2\pi}{3}[/itex] as principal value.
Now, you have [itex]2x+1= \frac{2\pi}{3}[/itex]. Solve that for x.
 

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