Solving for Area of a Given Curve: sqrt(|x|) + sqrt(|y|) = 1

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The discussion revolves around finding the area enclosed by the curve defined by the equation sqrt(|x|) + sqrt(|y|) = 1. Participants are exploring the implications of this equation and how to represent it graphically.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss using polar coordinates with transformations involving parameters k, specifically trying k=4. There are attempts to derive the area through integration and Jacobian calculations. Some participants express uncertainty about the graphical representation of the curve, questioning why their plots appear different from expected.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the correct transformation and plotting methods. Some guidance has been offered regarding the proper parametric representation of the curve, but no consensus has been reached on the area calculation or the graphical output.

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Participants are working under the constraints of homework guidelines, which include drawing the area and finding its measure. There is a noted confusion regarding the expected shape of the curve and the results from plotting software.

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Homework Statement


Find the area, whose edge is given by the following curve:
sqrt(|x|) + sqrt(|y|) = 1
Also, draw the area.
Guidance: try x = r*cos(t)^k, y = r*sin(t)^k for a fitting k.

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The Attempt at a Solution


I tried:
x = r*cos(t)^4, y = r*sin(t)^4
From the curve equation, I get that: sqrt(r)=1. So:
0 \leq r \leq 1
0 \leq t \leq 2*pi
|J| = 4r*|sin(t)^3*cos(t)^3|.
Since I have an absolute value as the integrand, I calculate the integral of t from 0 to pi/2, and multiply the result by 4. The final answer is 2/3.

I believe that my transformation is wrong, because when I try to draw it via Wolfram, it gives me a circle, but it is supposed to look like an astroid.

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!
 
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soofjan said:

Homework Statement


Find the area, whose edge is given by the following curve:
sqrt(|x|) + sqrt(|y|) = 1
Also, draw the area.
Guidance: try x = r*cos(t)^k, y = r*sin(t)^k for a fitting k.

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution


I tried:
x = r*cos(t)^4, y = r*sin(t)^4
From the curve equation, I get that: sqrt(r)=1. So:
0 \leq r \leq 1
0 \leq t \leq 2*pi
|J| = 4r*|sin(t)^3*cos(t)^3|.
Since I have an absolute value as the integrand, I calculate the integral of t from 0 to pi/2, and multiply the result by 4. The final answer is 2/3.

I believe that my transformation is wrong, because when I try to draw it via Wolfram, it gives me a circle, but it is supposed to look like an astroid.

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!

That all looks ok to me. Except that my plot doesn't look like a circle. What are you plotting?
 
I tried to polar plot the following on Wolfram:
sqrt(|r*cos(t)^4|) + sqrt(|r*sin(t)^4|) = 1
r=0..1, t=0..2*pi
 
soofjan said:
I tried to polar plot the following on Wolfram:
sqrt(|r*cos(t)^4|) + sqrt(|r*sin(t)^4|) = 1
r=0..1, t=0..2*pi

I'm not sure what that would mean to Wolfram. What you want to plot is the set of all (x,y) SUCH THAT sqrt(|x|)+sqrt(|y|)=1. I.e. parametric plot x(t)=cos(t)^4, y(t)=sin(t)^4, for t in [0,pi/2], the actual x,y values, not their square roots.
 
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I see your point. Thanks again.
 

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