Solving for Mass of Block of Ice w/ Newton's 2nd Law

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The problem involves a dockworker applying a constant horizontal force to a block of ice on a smooth floor, with negligible friction. The block starts from rest and moves a specified distance in a given time, prompting the question of how to determine the mass of the block using Newton's second law.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the application of Newton's second law and the use of different kinematic equations to find acceleration. There are questions about why different equations yield varying results for acceleration and the implications of using average versus final velocity.

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Participants are actively exploring the relationships between the equations and the definitions of average and final velocity. Some guidance has been offered regarding the nature of average velocity in the context of constant acceleration, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct approach or resolution of the discrepancies in calculated accelerations.

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There is a noted confusion regarding the distinction between average velocity and final velocity, as well as the correct application of the kinematic equations under the conditions of constant acceleration.

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Homework Statement


A dockworker applies a constant horizontal force of 80 N to a block of ice on a smooth horizontal floor. The fritional force is negligible. The block starts from rest and moves 11 meter in 5 seconds.

What is the mass of the block of ice?


Homework Equations


Newton's second law:
\Sigma F=ma
v^2_x=v^2_{0x}+2a_x(x-x_0)
v_x=v_{0x}+a_xt

The Attempt at a Solution


\Sigma F=80N
v_x=\frac{11m}{5s}=2.2m/s
v_{0x}=0m/s
x=x_0+v_{0x}t+1/2a_xt^2

Now in order to use Newton's second law, I need to find the acceleration.
My question is, why can't I use all 3 of the formulas?

When I use the first formula:
(2.2m/s)^2=0+2a_x(11m)
Which gives: a_x=\frac{(2.2m/s)^2}{2\cdot 11m}=0.22m/s^2

But if I use the 2nd formula:
2.2m/s=0+a_x\cdot 5s
Which gives: a_x=\frac{2.2m/s}{5s}=0.44m/s^2

And if I use the 3rd formula:
11m=0t+1/2a_x\cdot (5s)^2
Which gives: a_x=\frac{11m}{1/2\cdot (5s)^2}=0.88m/s^2

What's the difference between the three formulas? Why do I get different accelerations?
 
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PhyIsOhSoHard said:

Homework Statement


A dockworker applies a constant horizontal force of 80 N to a block of ice on a smooth horizontal floor. The fritional force is negligible. The block starts from rest and moves 11 meter in 5 seconds.

What is the mass of the block of ice?


Homework Equations


Newton's second law:
\Sigma F=ma
v^2_x=v^2_{0x}+2a_x(x-x_0)
v_x=v_{0x}+a_xt

The Attempt at a Solution


\Sigma F=80N
v_x=\frac{11m}{5s}=2.2m/s
v_{0x}=0m/s

Now in order to use Newton's second law, I need to find the acceleration.
My question is, why can't I use both of the formulas?

When I use the first formula:
(2.2m/s)^2=0+2a_x(11m)
Which gives: a_x=\frac{(2.2m/s)^2}{2\cdot 11m}=0.22m/s^2

But if I use the other formula:
2.2m/s=0+a_x\cdot 5s
Which gives: a_x=\frac{2.2m/s}{5s}=0.44m/s^2

What's the difference between the two formulas? Why do I get different accelerations?

Your V_x is average velocity and not final velocity.
 


hqjb said:
Your V_x is average velocity and not final velocity.

I've updated my 1st post with another equation. According to my book, it says the 3rd equation is the correct with the acceleration being 0.88 m/s^2

But that is the average velocity as well?
 


PhyIsOhSoHard said:

Homework Statement


A dockworker applies a constant horizontal force of 80 N to a block of ice on a smooth horizontal floor. The frictional force is negligible. The block starts from rest and moves 11 meter in 5 seconds.

What is the mass of the block of ice?


Homework Equations


Newton's second law:
\Sigma F=ma
v^2_x=v^2_{0x}+2a_x(x-x_0)
v_x=v_{0x}+a_xt

The Attempt at a Solution


\Sigma F=80N
v_x=\frac{11m}{5s}=2.2m/s
v_{0x}=0m/s

Now in order to use Newton's second law, I need to find the acceleration.
My question is, why can't I use both of the formulas?

When I use the first formula:
(2.2m/s)^2=0+2a_x(11m)
Which gives: a_x=\frac{(2.2m/s)^2}{2\cdot 11m}=0.22m/s^2

But if I use the other formula:
2.2m/s=0+a_x\cdot 5s
Which gives: a_x=\frac{2.2m/s}{5s}=0.44m/s^2

What's the difference between the two formulas? Why do I get different accelerations?
v_x is the final velocity of the block,

whereas 22 \text{m/s} is the average velocity of the block.

For constant acceleration, the average velocity is given by: \displaystyle v_\text{Average}=\frac{v_x+{v_0}_x}{2}\ .
 


PhyIsOhSoHard said:
I've updated my 1st post with another equation. According to my book, it says the 3rd equation is the correct with the acceleration being 0.88 m/s^2

But that is the average velocity as well?

The third equation is S = V_{0x}t + \frac{1}{2}at^2
where S = distance, V0x = initial velocity a = constant acc. t = time, no final velocity needed.

Acceleration is constant therefore, velocity is changing throughout, the actual final velocity is not given in the question and can be calculated using v = u + at to be 4.4m/s
 

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