Solving for multiple unkowns using KVL and KCL equations

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around solving for multiple unknowns in an electrical circuit using Kirchhoff's Voltage Law (KVL) and Kirchhoff's Current Law (KCL). Participants are addressing a homework problem that involves analyzing a circuit with controlled sources and resistors, focusing on finding specific voltages and power values.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that current will not pass through certain components, suggesting a starting point of solving for current in terms of a specific voltage source.
  • Another participant advises choosing a ground node and labeling important nodes to write equations for their voltages based on the given information.
  • A participant expresses frustration with arriving at trivial answers and coefficients of zero after several hours of work on the problem.
  • Concerns are raised about the polarities of voltages in the circuit, with a suggestion to express one voltage in terms of another to facilitate writing KCL equations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants appear to agree on the complexity of the problem and the need for careful consideration of node voltages and polarities. However, there is no consensus on the correct approach or solution, as participants are encountering difficulties and inconsistencies in their calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not utilized Thevenin's theorem due to its absence in their coursework, which may limit their problem-solving strategies. There are also unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions regarding the relationships between the circuit elements.

Who May Find This Useful

Students working on circuit analysis problems, particularly those involving KVL and KCL, may find this discussion relevant. Additionally, individuals interested in the challenges of solving for multiple unknowns in electrical circuits could benefit from the shared experiences and approaches.

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Homework Statement


I am asked to solve for vX, PDEV BY iS1, P ABS BY vS3 (please see attached figure). We have only covered KCL, KVL, Ohm's law and Power in class. No Thevinen theorem, so it can't be used to help solve.


The Attempt at a Solution


I know that current will not pass through the 4 Ohm resistor or vS4. My initial hunch was to solve for iQ in terms of vS1 (upper left of figure) and then use that equation to help solve for a KVL with the 3 and 7 ohm resistors and vS3. The result was not pretty and very wrong.
 

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Yeah, it's going to get messy. There are a lot of interrelationships to account for with all the controlled sources. However, to make a start, choose a ground node, label the other important nodes, and see what you can do about writing equations for their voltages in terms of the given information. Here's a suggestion:
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The voltage at node D (which is the same as -vQ) will be important. You can write a KCL equation for that node.
 

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Here's what I have so far. Unfortunately, I keep running into nonsensical, trivial answers where my systems keep having coefficients of zero. :confused: I've spent several hours on this problem.
 

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Watch out for the polarities of things. The diagram shows vQ to be the negative of the voltage at your KCL1 node (note the +/- sign locations).

Suppose you take the voltage at node D to be vD. Then v_Q = -v_D. Can you write expressions for the node voltages at A and B (with respect to the ground node that I indicated) in terms of this vD ? (You may need to keep vx as a variable for now).
 
Here's what I have so far. Unfortunately, I keep running into nonsensical, trivial answers where my systems keep having coefficients of zero. :confused: I've spent several hours on this problem.
 

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