Solving for $(x+\dfrac{1}{y})$ Given M=N

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The discussion revolves around solving for the expression $(x+\dfrac{1}{y})+(x^2+\dfrac{1}{y^2})+(x^3+\dfrac{1}{y^3})+\ldots+(x^{2001}+\dfrac{1}{y^{2001}})$ under the condition that the sets M and N are equal, where M and N are defined in terms of variables x and y. The context includes mathematical reasoning and exploration of different cases.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that if M={$x, y, log(xy)$} and N={0,$\mid x \mid $ ,$y$}, then under the condition M=N, it follows that xy=1, leading to y=1/x.
  • Others argue that this results in a sum that can be expressed as $2 x( 1- x^{2001})/(1- x)$.
  • A different perspective is introduced when M={$x, xy, log(xy)$} is considered, with the same N. This leads to a similar conclusion that xy=1, but with additional implications about the values of x and y.
  • One participant suggests that if y=1 and x=1, then |x| cannot equal y, leading to the conclusion that x must equal -1 and y must equal -1, resulting in a sum of -2 for odd n and 2 for even n.
  • Another participant acknowledges the solution presented, indicating a positive reception to the reasoning provided.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple competing views on the values of x and y, and how these values affect the sum. The discussion remains unresolved as different interpretations and cases are explored without consensus on a singular solution.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the values of x and y, particularly concerning their positivity and the implications of the logarithmic condition. The dependence on the definitions of M and N also introduces complexity that is not fully resolved.

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M={$x, y, log(xy)$}

N={0,$\mid x \mid $ ,$y$}

given: M=N

find :

$(x+\dfrac{1}{y})+(x^2+\dfrac{1}{y^2})+(x^3+\dfrac{1}{y^3})+--------+(x^{2001}+\dfrac{1}{y^{2001}})=?$
 
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Albert said:
M={$x, y, log(xy)$}

N={0,$\mid x \mid $ ,$y$}

given: M=N

find :

$(x+\dfrac{1}{y})+(x^2+\dfrac{1}{y^2})+(x^3+\dfrac{1}{y^3})+--------+(x^{2001}+\dfrac{1}{y^{2001}})=?$

x and y cannot be zero so we have xy = 1 as log(xy) = 0

as x and y both are positive or -ve and we have |x| and y so both are > 0
so y = 1/x
so given sum

= 2 ( x + x^2 + ... + x^2001) = 2 x( 1- x^2001)/(1- x)
 
Now if M={$x, xy, log(xy)$}

N={0,$\mid x \mid $ ,$y$}

given: M=N

find :

$(x+\dfrac{1}{y})+(x^2+\dfrac{1}{y^2})+(x^3+\dfrac{1}{y^3})+--------+(x^{2001}+\dfrac{1}{y^{2001}})=?$
 
Albert said:
Now if M={$x, xy, log(xy)$}

N={0,$\mid x \mid $ ,$y$}

given: M=N

find :

$(x+\dfrac{1}{y})+(x^2+\dfrac{1}{y^2})+(x^3+\dfrac{1}{y^3})+--------+(x^{2001}+\dfrac{1}{y^{2001}})=?$

Now again as above xy =1 so m = { x, 1, 0}
So |x| has to be 1 else if y = 1 and then x =1 and from N |x| cannot be y

So x = -1 , y = -1, and M = { -1, 1, 0} and N = { 0, 1 , - 1 }

So x = y =-1 and sum = x^n + 1/y^n = -2 for n = odd and 2 for n = even

So sum = -2 as 1st 1000 pairs cancel leaving with x^2001 + 1/y^2001 = - 2
 
kaliprasad :yes,very good solution (Clapping)
 

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