Solving Impulse Response of RL Circuit

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around solving the impulse response of an RL circuit, specifically analyzing the step and impulse responses when a voltage is applied across a resistor and inductor in series. The context is a homework problem from a time-series analysis course for Physics students, focusing on the mathematical derivation of these responses without the use of Laplace transforms.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Riyaad presents a circuit equation and derives the step response, indicating that the impulse response is the time derivative of the step response.
  • Riyaad expresses difficulty in deriving the impulse response using the Dirac delta function, questioning whether the relationship between the step and impulse responses is coincidental.
  • One participant suggests that solving differential equations with Dirac delta functions without using transforms is not advisable, recommending the use of the Laplace transform instead.
  • Another participant expresses surprise that Laplace transforms have not been covered in a fourth-year course, implying it is a standard method for such problems.
  • A formula for the impulse response is provided by a participant, but it is not clear how it relates to Riyaad's derivation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best method to derive the impulse response, with some advocating for the use of Laplace transforms while others seek a solution without them. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the derivation of the impulse response.

Contextual Notes

There is an assumption that participants are familiar with basic circuit theory and differential equations, but the lack of knowledge regarding Laplace transforms may limit the approaches available for solving the problem. The discussion also reflects uncertainty about the relationship between the step and impulse responses.

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Hi all,

I'm taking a fourth year time-series analysis course for Physics students.

Homework Statement



Let us consider a simple physical system consisting of a resistor (with resistance R) and an inductor (with inductance L) in series. We apply an input voltage a(t) across the pair in series, and measure the output voltage b(t) across the inductor alone.

We are asked to show analytically what the step and impulse responses would be.

Homework Equations



Kirchhoff's equations

H(t) = step or Heaveside function
δ(t) = delta function

\frac{dH(t)}{dt} = δ(t)

Let

V(t) = source potential
V_(t) = potential across inductor

Assume

I = 0 at t = 0 (no initial current)

The Attempt at a Solution



I was able to use the basic circuit equation:

V(t) = R*I + L*\frac{dI}{dt}

To solve for the current across the inductor:

I(t) = \frac{V(t)}{R}-\frac{V(t)}{R}*e^{(-R/L)*t}

Now setting V(t) = H(t) to find the step response, and knowing that:

L*\frac{dI(t)}{dt} = V_(t)

I found that:

V_(t) = H(t)*e^{(-R/L)*t}

...which is the correct step response. However, my problem is in deriving the impulse response. When I try use the current I(t) and substitute in δ(t) for the input potential V(t), my derivation falls apart. I'm not used to working with the δ(t) function, so this is a bit tricky for me. I've since found that the impulse response is:

V_(t) = δ(t) - (R/L)*e^{(-R/L)*t}*H(t)

...but have no idea how to get to this point. Clearly, the impulse response is the time derivative of the step response, but is this just coincidental?

Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks!

Riyaad
 
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Have you had the Laplace transform?
 
No, we haven't studied Laplace transforms yet, so I was hoping there would be a way to solve without it.
 
You know those ads on TV that say, "don't try this at home"? I say, "don't try to solve differential equations with Dirac delta (aka impulse) function excitations without a transform". The logical one here is the Laplace.

Maybe some math wiz will show us how to do it the classical, or another, way.

EDIT: I'm surprised that a 4th yr course would not have covered the Laplace or similar (e.g. heaviside) xfrm.

FYI my answer is vL = k{δ(t) - (1/τ)e-t/τ)} for a unit impulse input kδ(t) where k = 1.0 V-sec and τ = L/R.

(The units of δ(t) are sec-1.)
 
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