Solving Integral: sin^3x cos^2x dx

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The discussion revolves around solving the integral \(\int \sin^{3}x \cos^{2}x \, dx\). Participants explore various methods of integration, including substitution and rewriting the integral in different forms. The focus is on finding a complete solution to the integral, with some participants expressing frustration over the process.

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  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in solving the integral after several attempts and seeks help.
  • Another suggests rewriting the integral in terms of sines or using reduction formulas for \(\sin^n x\).
  • A different approach is proposed to express the integrand as \(\sin(x) \cdot f(\cos(x))\) or \(\cos(x) \cdot f(\sin(x))\).
  • Marco provides a method involving substitution and expresses confidence in the approach, but some participants seek a complete solution.
  • There is a disagreement about the clarity of Marco's explanation regarding the substitution \(d(\cos(x)) = -\sin(x)dx\).
  • One participant attempts to continue from Marco's method but receives feedback that their calculations are incorrect.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of understanding basic integration techniques, particularly substitution.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct approach to solving the integral, with multiple competing views and methods presented. Some express confusion over the substitution notation and the steps involved.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of missing foundational knowledge among some participants regarding integration techniques, particularly substitution. The discussion reflects varying levels of familiarity with mathematical notation and methods.

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I've been working on this problem for almost 4 days now and have made no progress. Once I think I've got it right, by professor says its wrong, and to try again. I've tried and tried. Any ideas? Here it is:

[tex]\int sin^{3}x cos^{2}x dx[/tex]
 
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You could write everything in the integral in terms of sines, then either:
1. Use reduction formulae for sin^n x
2. write the powers of sines in terms of sines of multiples of x
 
Try to write the integrand as sin(x) * f(cos(x)) or cos(x) * f(sin(x)), where f is some algebraic function.
 
Ravenatic20 said:
I've been working on this problem for almost 4 days now and have made no progress. Once I think I've got it right, by professor says its wrong, and to try again. I've tried and tried. Any ideas? Here it is:

[tex]\int sin^{3}x cos^{2}x dx[/tex]

I know this is not so formal, but it works:
using the fact that:

[tex]d(cos(x))=-sin(x)dx[/tex]

you get:

[tex]\int sin^{3}(x) cos^{2}(x) dx=-\int sin^2(x)cos^2(x)d(cos(x))=-\int(1-cos^2(x))cos^2(x)d(cos(x))[/tex]

and you are done.

regards
marco
 
Thanks marco but I need the whole integral solved so the [tex]\int[/tex] sign is removed. And to the point where our constant C is added on: [tex]+ C[/tex].
 
Ravenatic20 said:
Thanks marco but I need the whole integral solved so the [tex]\int[/tex] sign is removed. And to the point where our constant C is added on: [tex]+ C[/tex].

Do you honestly expect others to just do your work for you. Marco made the problem much simpler for you all it requires now is a simple, and fairly obvious substitution.
 
d_leet said:
Do you honestly expect others to just do your work for you. Marco made the problem much simpler for you all it requires now is a simple, and fairly obvious substitution.
No, the last part just doesn't make sense. If someone could explain it I'll take a shot at it, but I've never seen it (d(cos(x)))
 
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Ravenatic20 said:
No, the last part just doesn't make sense. If someone could explain it I'll take a shot at it, but I've never seen it (d(cos(x))

do the substitution:

t=cos(x)-----> dt=d(cos(x))
you get it?

regards
marco
 
Thanks Marco.

This is what I have so far, in continuation of what Marco helped out with:
[tex]=-\int(1-cos^2(x))cos^2(x)d(cos(x))[/tex]
[tex]=-\int(\frac{1}{2}-\frac{1}{2} cos2x)(\frac{1}{2}+\frac{1}{2} cos2x)d(cos(x))[/tex]
[tex]=-[{(\frac{1}{2}x-\frac{1}{4} sin2x)(\frac{1}{2}x+\frac{1}{4} sin2x)] + C[/tex]

Err, is this right? If not how do I fix it? Thanks
 
  • #10
No, that's not right.

Do what macro_84 said. let t = cos(x)

Now substitute t everywhere you see a cos(x) in the integrand that macro gave you (the one with nothing but cosines). it's staring you in the face.
 
  • #11
Err... That did not make much sense, sorry.
 
  • #12
Ravenatic20 said:
Err... That did not make much sense, sorry.

How did that not make sense? Are you familiar with integration by substitution? Make the substititution t=cos(x) and what happens?
 
  • #13
tx = -sin(x)?
 
  • #14
Well no wonder you couldn't get this integral, you don't understand the most basic method of integration.
 
  • #15
Vid said:
Well no wonder you couldn't get this integral, you don't understand the most basic method of integration.
Sorry, I've only been doing this for a few weeks. I came here for help, nothing else.
 
  • #17
[tex]...=-\int(1-cos^2(x))cos^2(x)d(cos(x))=-\int(1-t^2)t^2dt[/tex]

can you do it now??

ciao
marco
 
  • #18
Then stop expecting people to do the problem for you. What has been suggested is that you rewrite the integral as
[tex]\int sin^2(x)cos^2(x) (sin(x)) dx= \int (1- cos^2(x))cos^2(x) (sin(x)dx[/itex]<br /> Now, if u= cos(x), what is du? If you don't know that you should review differentiation before trying integration.[/tex]
 

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