Solving Integrals with Substitution Method - Step-by-Step Guide

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around evaluating an integral using the substitution method, specifically focusing on the integral involving the expression \(\int\frac{2+\sqrt{x}}{1-\sqrt{x}}dx\). Participants are exploring the implications of their substitution choices and the resulting expressions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to apply the substitution \(u=1-\sqrt{x}\) and are discussing the implications of this choice on the integral's evaluation. There are questions about the correctness of their transformations and simplifications, particularly regarding the square root and its implications.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing examination of the substitution method, with participants questioning the validity of their steps and seeking clarification on the transformations involved. Some have suggested reconsidering the original substitution to avoid complications, while others are exploring alternative approaches to simplify the integral.

Contextual Notes

Participants are grappling with the nuances of the substitution, particularly how the square root function behaves under different conditions. There is a recognition that the original problem statement provides a specific answer, which adds pressure to ensure that their methods align correctly with the expected outcome.

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Homework Statement


In each of the following cases use the given substitution in order to evaluate the given integral:

[tex]\int\frac{2+\sqrt x}{1-\sqrt x}dx=2(4(1+\sqrt x)^\frac{3}{2}-\frac{(1-\sqrt x)^2}{2}-3In(1-\sqrt x)[/tex]




Homework Equations



For the substitution
[tex]u=1-\sqrt x[/tex]

[tex]x=(1-u)^2[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



[tex]du=\frac{-1}{2\sqrt x}[/tex]

[tex]-2\sqrt x du=dx[/tex]

[tex]-2\sqrt(1-u)^2du=dx[/tex]


[tex]-2\int\frac{2+\sqrt(1-u)^2}{u}(\sqrt(1-u)^2[/tex]

[tex]-2\int 2\sqrt(1-u^2)(u^-1)du+ \sqrt(1-u^2)(u^-1)[/tex]

Guys how come when l simplify this integration l do not get the answer correct answer which is shown in the problem statement ? Where have l done my mistake ?
 
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Nyasha said:
[tex]du=\frac{-1}{2\sqrt x}[/tex]

Surely you mean [tex]\frac{du}{dx}=\frac{-1}{2\sqrt x}[/tex]...right?

[tex]-2\sqrt x du=dx[/tex]

[tex]-2\sqrt(1-u)^2du=dx[/tex]

Technically, this is incorrect; since sqrt() always reteurns the positive root,

[tex]\sqrt{(1-u)^2}=\left\{\begin{array}{lr}1-u, & 1-u \geq 0 \\ u-1, & 1-u\leq 0\end{array}[/tex]

But it should be clear from your definition of u that [itex]u=1-\sqrt{x}\implies \sqrt{x}=1-u[/itex] always. So [itex]\sqrt{x}\neq\sqrt{(1-u)^2}[/itex] in general.


[tex]-2\int 2\sqrt(1-u^2)(u^-1)du+ \sqrt(1-u^2)(u^-1)[/tex]

Now you seem to be claiming [itex]\sqrt{(1-u)^2}=\sqrt{1-u^2}[/itex]...surely you didn't mean to do that!:wink:

Use [itex]\sqrt{x}=1-u[/itex] instead.
 
gabbagabbahey said:
Surely you mean [tex]\frac{du}{dx}=\frac{-1}{2\sqrt x}[/tex]...right?



Technically, this is incorrect; since sqrt() always reteurns the positive root,

[tex]\sqrt{(1-u)^2}=\left\{\begin{array}{lr}1-u, & 1-u \geq 0 \\ u-1, & 1-u\leq 0\end{array}[/tex]

But it should be clear from your definition of u that [itex]u=1-\sqrt{x}\implies \sqrt{x}=1-u[/itex] always. So [itex]\sqrt{x}\neq\sqrt{(1-u)^2}[/itex] in general.




Now you seem to be claiming [itex]\sqrt{(1-u)^2}=\sqrt{1-u^2}[/itex]...surely you didn't mean to do that!:wink:

Use [itex]\sqrt{x}=1-u[/itex] instead.


Maybe l should take a new approach since this one was a complete disaster.

[tex]x=(1-u)^2[/tex]

[tex]dx= -2(1-u)du[/tex]

[tex]dx=2u-2du[/tex]

[tex]\int\frac{2+\sqrt (1-u)^2}{u}.(2u-2)du[/tex]

I would like to know if l am on the right path before l take another wild goose chase:smile:
 
Nyasha said:
Maybe l should take a new approach since this one was a complete disaster.

[tex]x=(1-u)^2[/tex]

[tex]dx= -2(1-u)du[/tex]

[tex]dx=2u-2du[/tex]

[tex]\int\frac{2+\sqrt (1-u)^2}{u}.(2u-2)du[/tex]

I would like to know if l am on the right path before l take another wild goose chase:smile:

Again, [itex]\sqrt{(1-u)^2}[/itex] depends on whether [itex]1-u[/itex] is positive or negative.

To avoid having to analyze the two different cases, stick to your original substitution; [itex]u=1-\sqrt{x}\implies \sqrt{x}=1-u[/itex]...
 
gabbagabbahey said:
Again, [itex]\sqrt{(1-u)^2}[/itex] depends on whether [itex]1-u[/itex] is positive or negative.

To avoid having to analyze the two different cases, stick to your original substitution; [itex]u=1-\sqrt{x}\implies \sqrt{x}=1-u[/itex]...


Ohhh, l now get it. This means my integrand will become:


[tex] \int\frac{2+ (1-u)}{u}(2u-2)du=\int\frac{4u-2}{u}du + \int\frac{(2u-2)(1-u)}{u}du[/tex]
 
Nyasha said:
Ohhh, l now get it. This means my integrand will become:


[tex] \int\frac{2+ (1-u)}{u}(2u-2)du=\int\frac{4u-2}{u}du + \int\frac{(2u-2)(1-u)}{u}du[/tex]

Actually, [tex]\int\frac{2+ (1-u)}{u}(2u-2)du=\int\frac{4u-4}{u}du + \int\frac{(2u-2)(1-u)}{u}du[/tex]

But there is a much easier way to simplify this:

[tex]\int\frac{2+ (1-u)}{u}(2u-2)du=2\int\frac{(3-u)(u-1)}{u}du[/tex]

And [itex](3-u)(u-1)=[/itex]___?
 
gabbagabbahey said:
Actually, [tex]\int\frac{2+ (1-u)}{u}(2u-2)du=\int\frac{4u-4}{u}du + \int\frac{(2u-2)(1-u)}{u}du[/tex]

But there is a much easier way to simplify this:

[tex]\int\frac{2+ (1-u)}{u}(2u-2)du=2\int\frac{(3-u)(u-1)}{u}du[/tex]

And [itex](3-u)(u-1)=[/itex]___?



Thanks very much for the help:smile:
 

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