Solving My Confusion: States in Energy Band

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The discussion clarifies the relationship between electronic states and orbitals in energy bands, specifically that the number of states in a band equals the number of unit cells in a crystal. Each state can accommodate two electrons with opposite spins, leading to a maximum occupancy of 2N electrons per band. The Pauli exclusion principle allows for this dual occupancy due to the spin degeneracy of electrons, which prevents destructive interference between their wavefunctions. The conversation also distinguishes between fermions and bosons, highlighting the implications of these statistics on particle occupancy in states.

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  • Understanding of Bloch functions and electronic states
  • Familiarity with the Pauli exclusion principle
  • Basic knowledge of quantum mechanics, particularly wavefunctions
  • Concept of spin and its role in particle statistics
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  • Explore the differences between Fermi-Dirac and Bose-Einstein statistics
  • Learn about wavefunction overlap and its effects on particle occupancy
  • Investigate the properties of Bose-Einstein condensates and their relation to particle statistics
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It's known that the number of states in a band is equal to the number of unit cells in crystal.

Here is my problem (confusion with trivial concepts)

Bloch function is a electronic state, or orbital.
The number of orbitals in a band inside the first zone is equal to the number os units cells in crystal.

each state can accommodate at most two electrons. So the max number of electrons that can occupy a single band is 2N

But here is my stupid question:

I know that a state can be occupied with two electrons with opposite spins, but why two?

In my mind (i know that I am thinking wrong) one state should be only occupied by one electron.

Is like having N chairs for 2N people (N male and N female). We are saying that one chair can be occupied by one male and one female simultaneously . But one chair is made for one individual and not two individuals.

Other question:

If the Pauli exclusion principle would not be valid for electrons, then what is the max number of electrons that can occupy a single band? infinite?
 
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arierreF said:
I know that a state can be occupied with two electrons with opposite spins, but why two?

It has to do with how the wavefunctions of fermions interact. I believe that with two possible spin states, two wavefunctions can overlap completely without destructively interfering with each other.
 
Actually, two electrons do not occupy the exact same state, the difference being the spin. What happens is that the "states" are spin-degenerated, that is, there are states with same quantum numbers, and differ only in spin. Think about the atomic levels for example: neglecting spin interaction, the 1s electrons occupy have same energy, angular momentum, and the only difference is spin.

Yes, particles that are bosons do not obbey the Pauli exclusion principle and therefore an inifinite number of particles can occupy the EXACT (including spin) state. This difference is the basis of the difference between Fermi-Dirac and Bose-Einstein statistics.
About many particles in the same state, take a look about the Bose-Einstein Condensates.
 
(Neglecting spin interaction) if we have a sate with two electrons, same band, same wave vector, but opposite spins and i want to "plot" the wave function of that state, what is the result?

A single wave function that resulted on the overlapping of the two electrons?

Or two wave functions, with different spins.
 
Well...about details related to spin I might commit errors becaue I have no deep knowledge of relativistic quantum mechanics, which is where spin is accounted more precisely as far as I know.
But in non-relativistic quantum mechanics (at least for spin 1/2, which is the case of the electron), when you treat different spin components it appears as a different componnent, that is, the wave function of the system has one spin +1/2 component and one spin -1/2 component. Think of it like a 2D vector: you can decompose it in x and y components.
That means in the case you ask about, the two wave functions would be the same if plotted.
 
arierreF said:
Other question:

If the Pauli exclusion principle would not be valid for electrons, then what is the max number of electrons that can occupy a single band? infinite?

There are only two bands : the valence band and the conduction band, each containing many states. Be careful not to confuse band and state.
A photon is a particle to which the Pauli exclusion principle does not apply. There is not limit to the number of photons in a system that can be in the same state.
 

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