Solving problems in Kinematics with simple calculus

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The discussion revolves around solving kinematic problems using calculus, specifically focusing on a scenario where a variable force dependent on velocity acts on a vehicle. Participants explore the application of the work-energy theorem and Newton's second law in this context.

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Main Points Raised

  • Sanjay poses a question about calculating the distance a vehicle moves before stopping under the influence of a variable force F = bv, where v is the instantaneous speed and b is a constant.
  • Another participant clarifies that b is a constant, which may imply a specific interpretation of the force.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that starting from the work-energy theorem may not be useful due to the velocity-dependent nature of the force. Instead, they propose using Newton's second law, leading to a differential equation that can be solved for velocity as a function of time.
  • This participant notes the interesting result that the vehicle travels a finite distance but takes an infinite time to do so, highlighting limitations of the model in real-world scenarios.
  • Another participant emphasizes a distinction in terminology, stating that problems involving forces should be classified as dynamical rather than kinematic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing opinions on the appropriate approach to solving the problem, with no consensus on whether to use the work-energy theorem or Newton's second law. The discussion includes both agreement on the nature of the force and disagreement on the best method to analyze the situation.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reveals limitations in the model, such as the assumption of a constant force and the implications of velocity-dependent forces on real-world behavior, which are not fully resolved.

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Hi,

I have a generic question about solving kinematic problems using simple calculus. For eg.
A variable force F = bv (v is instantaneous speed at some time t) acts on a vehicle moving with speed v. Suppose the initial speed at t = 0 of the vehicle is v0. Calculate the distance through which it moves before stopping.
By work energy theorem, (1/2) m (V0)2 = ∫ F. ds
Now how do we integrate the right side and move forward? That's my main question. Any help is appreciated

Thanks
Sanjay
 
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b above is a constant.
 
I wouldn't start from here. I think (though I may be wrong) that the theorem in this form is not much use when the force is velocity-dependent.

Instead, assuming that the vehicle is confined to move in a straight line, you can use Newton's second law in the form F= ma. Substitute bv for F (remembering that b is negative - I'd write it as -β] and substitute dv/dt for a. This gives you a differential equation, which is easily solved to give v as a function of t. Integrate this wrt time, between zero and infinity to give you the distance gone.

This is quite interesting, as it shows that the vehicle goes a finite distance, but takes an infinite time to do it! (Well, to do every last nanometre). This is not what a real vehicle would do, because F = -βv does not model the usual rolling resistance, bearing friction etc. very well. These will not tend to zero as the vehicle's speed goes to zero.
 
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A note on terminology. Any problem involving forces is dynamical, not kinematic.
 

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