Solving Series Expansion of Current in Resistor/Inductor Circuit

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The discussion focuses on solving the series expansion of current in a resistor-inductor circuit, represented by the equation I = 2.7(1-e^{-0.1t}). Participants clarify the correct substitution of -0.1 into the exponential series and emphasize the importance of correctly applying the negative sign throughout the calculation. Issues arise regarding the cancellation of terms and the need to include the third term in the series expansion. The final expression for current, after correcting for signs and terms, is I(t) = -0.27t + 0.0135t^2 - 0.00045t^3, with a suggestion that the negative sign might relate to the context of the problem. The discussion highlights the significance of careful algebraic manipulation in series expansions.
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Homework Statement


A resistor and inductor are connected in series to a battery. The current in the circuit ( in A ) is given by I = 2.7(1-e-0.1), where t is the time since the circuit was closed. By using the series for ex, find the first three terms of the expansion of this function.

Homework Equations


ex = 1 + x + x2/2! + ... + xn/n!

The Attempt at a Solution


Would I substitute -0.1 for x in this expansion like so: ex = 1 - 0.1 - 0.12/2! ? And then place this expansion into the original function 2.7(1-(1 - 0.1 - 0.12/2!)) ?? And finally, multiply the 2.7 back in?

This isn't coming out to one of my answer choices. Where have I gone wrong in my setup?

Thanks!
 
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e^x = 1 +(-0.1) + \frac{(-0.1)^2}{2} Substituting you get 2.7 (1- \left( 1 +(-0.1) + \frac{(-0.1)^2}{2} \right)) Watch your minus signs.
 
CaptGoodvibes said:

Homework Statement


A resistor and inductor are connected in series to a battery. The current in the circuit ( in A ) is given by I = 2.7(1-e-0.1), where t is the time since the circuit was closed. By using the series for ex, find the first three terms of the expansion of this function.

Do you mean

I(t) = 2.7(1 - e^{-0.1t})? (There's no "t" in your formula.)

Would I substitute -0.1 for x in this expansion like so: ex = 1 - 0.1 - 0.12/2! ? And then place this expansion into the original function 2.7(1-(1 - 0.1 - 0.12/2!)) ??

This isn't coming out to one of my answer choices. Where have I gone wrong in my setup?

Thanks!

I see a couple of problems. First,

(-0.1)^2 = 0.1^2, not -0.1^2

Second, notice that the "1" terms cancel, leaving you with only two terms. The problem asks for three, so you probably need to include the 0.1^3 term as well.
 
It kills me when I try to get clever and my signs get skewed.

So, now I've added a couple steps to insure I'm sign-correct and also added the third term to account for the 1's canceling.

Here is the setup:
I = 2.7 (1- \left( 1 +(-0.1) + \frac{(-0.1)^2}{2} + \frac{(-0.1)^3}{6}\right))

Clear the 1's and multiply by 2.7...

2.7(-0.1) + \frac{2.7(-0.1)^2}{2} + \frac{2.7(-0.1)^3}{6}

Pull out the fractions to please the prof:

2.7(-0.1) + \frac{1}{2}2.7(-0.1)^2+ \frac{1}{6}2.7(-0.1)^3

The numbers come out almost right. And the missing 't' from the problem shows in the answer key so I've arbitrarily added the t,t^2, and t^3

The answer I got is:
I(t) = -0.27t + 0.0135t^2 - 0.00045t^3 but to match the answer, I'd have to multiply by -1 to get the signs right. I'm close but there must be another tidbit I've overlooked. Or there's a typo in the answer key...

I wonder if this is like a falling object where the negative sign is removed(or multiplied by -1) in relation to time.
 
You only applied the - sign to the first term inside the inner parentheses. It should have been applied to all of them! (Distributive law.)
 
jbunniii said:
You only applied the - sign to the first term inside the inner parentheses. It should have been applied to all of them! (Distributive law.)

Ahhhhh... it's not 1-(...) it's 1-1(...) Dangit! I'm so caught up in the new stuff I forgot the details.

Thanks so much!
 
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