Solving SHM Problem: Stuck Between Textbook & My Attempt

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The discussion revolves around a problem in simple harmonic motion (SHM) involving a block attached to a spring. The original poster is attempting to reconcile their calculations with a textbook solution regarding the mass of the block, the period of motion, and the maximum acceleration.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster describes their approach using SHM equations and energy conservation principles but finds discrepancies in their results compared to the textbook. Other participants question the use of notation and suggest checking for algebraic errors in the calculations.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's calculations, offering guidance on potential errors and encouraging a step-by-step review of the algebra involved. There is a recognition of the challenges in spotting calculation errors.

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The original poster's problem includes specific values for spring constant and amplitude, but there is a noted confusion regarding the notation used for decimal points. The discussion also highlights the importance of careful algebraic manipulation in solving physics problems.

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Hello guys i was trying to solve some problem of simple harmonic motion.
as it is well explaind in the title I'm not getting the same result as my textbook manual solution.

Problem:
A block of unknown mass is attached to a spring with a spring constant of 6:50 N/m and undergoes simple harmonic motion with an amplitude of 10:0 cm. When the block is halfway between its equilibrium position and the end point, its speed is measured to be 30:0 cm/s. Calculate (a) the mass of the block, (b) the period of the motion, and (c) the maximum acceleration of the block.

Textbook solution:
(a) Conserving energy
E =1/2kA² = 32:5 mJ
E =1/2k(A/2)²+12mv2 = E/4+1/2mv²
m =(2/v²)(3/4)E =3E/(2v²) = 542 g

My attempt with SHM equation :
x(t) = Asin(ωt + ∅) and ω=\sqrt{}(k/m)
x(t) = Asin(ωt + ∅)= A/2
sin(ωt + ∅) = 1/2 → ωt + ∅ = ∏/6 → t = (∏/6 - ∅)/ω

We have as well: v(t)=dx/dt= Aωcos(ωt + ∅)
And at x=A/2 → v(t)=0.3 m/s
Substituting t in v(t) we'll have Aωcos(∏/6) = 0.3 → after computation done and substituting the value of A and k i find another number different from 542 g.

Am I wrong? Surely yes, but where? Thanks in advance for helping me :)
 
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I take it you are using a colon for a decimal point?
We have as well: v(t)=dx/dt= Aωcos(ωt + ∅)
And at x=A/2 → v(t)=0.3 m/s
Substituting t in v(t) we'll have Aωcos(∏/6) = 0.3 → after computation done and substituting the value of A and k i find another number different from 542 g.
Check your working - looks like you've substituted something wrong or made an algebraic error where you havn't shown your working.
 


Your final step was from ##v=\omega A\cos(\omega t)##, which gives you $$v=\frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}\sqrt{\frac{k}{m}} A$$... because you found that ##\omega t=\frac{\pi}{6}## and ##\cos(\frac{\pi}{6})=\frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}##

The task is to find m given the rest.

square both sides and solve for m gives:$$m=\frac{3}{4}\frac{kA^2}{v^2}$$

CoE starts out with:
$$\frac{1}{2}mv^2=\frac{1}{2}kA^2 - \frac{1}{2}k\left (\frac{A}{2}\right )^2$$... (do you understand how this equation happens?) cancel the halves and group common terms: $$mv^2=\frac{3}{4}kA^2$$... same equation.

Work through them slowly by hand - step-by-step.
 


Thanls a lot, it was just a calculation error.
 


No worries - it can be hard to spot these yourself.
The best way to avoid them (or, at least, pick them up as they happen) is to do all the algebra at the start - when you have the final equation, then you substitute in the values.
You'll start noticing more experienced people doing just that - even when putting the numbers in sooner can make the calculation seem easier.
 

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