Solving the Beta Function Problem: Integrating (2-x)/(2+x)^(1/2) from -2 to 2

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves evaluating the integral \(\int_{-2}^{2}\left(\frac{2-x}{2+x}\right)^{1/2}dx\) and relates to the Beta function. Participants are exploring transformations and substitutions to manipulate the integral into a more recognizable form.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster attempts various substitutions, including \(u = x + 2\) and \(u = 4t\), but expresses confusion about how to proceed from there. Other participants suggest considering the limits of integration and transforming the integrand to achieve the desired form.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively discussing different approaches to transform the integral, with some suggesting specific substitutions. There is recognition of the need to adjust the limits of integration and to clarify the form of the Beta function being used. No consensus has been reached, but several productive lines of reasoning are being explored.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the importance of understanding the Beta function and its various forms, indicating that the problem may not fit neatly into a single standard representation. There is also mention of confusion regarding the limits of integration and the form of the integrand.

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Homework Statement



\int_{-2}^{2}\left(\frac{2-x}{2+x}\right)^{1/2}\hspace{1mm}dx

Homework Equations



B(p,q) = \int_0^{\infty}\frac{y^{p-1}}{(1+y)^{p+q}}\hspace{1mm}dy


The Attempt at a Solution



I am completely stuck on this one, just a total mental block. The answer in the book says:

"First put u = x + 2. Then put u = 4t. Answer = 2\pi"

I'll take you through what I done, but I got nowhere near the Beta function form I require:

u = x + 2\hspace{1mm}=>\hspace{1mm}4 - u = 2 - x

Also: du = dx. So:

\int_{0}^{4}\left(\frac{4-u}{u}\right)^{1/2}\hspace{1mm}du

So now I thought to do the second part ( set u = 4t ):

u = 4t => du = 4 dt

4\int_{0}^{1}\left(\frac{4-4t}{4t}\right)^{1/2}\hspace{1mm}dt

And I take out four as a common factor:

4\int_{0}^{1}\left(\frac{1-t}{t}\right)^{1/2}\hspace{1mm}dt

I don't have a clue on how to proceed, it is nowhere near the equation I need, I'm not sure how to get rid of the square root, or even "turn it upside down", but even then that doesn't work because I have 1 - t and I require something like 1 + t. I would really appreciate any help on this, thank you for your time.
 
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\int_0^1 \left(\frac{1-t}{t}\right)^{1/2}dt=\int_0^1 \left(\frac{1}{t}-1\right)^{1/2}dt

Now, you want the limits to go from zero to infinity. So looking at the integrand, what would I have to let say v=f(t) be so that when I plug in t=0 I get infinity but when I plug in t=1 I get zero?

Also, look at Wikipedia on the beta function to get familiar with it.
 
what would I have to let say v=f(t) be so that when I plug in t=0 I get infinity but when I plug in t=1 I get zero?

I think you mixed the two boundaries of the integral up.

When you plug in t = 0 into v you want 0, and similarly when you plug in t = 1 into v you want infinity.

Because the resulting boundaries you want are from 0 to infinity, right?
 
Just let:

v=1/t-1 and work it through. Then switch the limits of integration.
 
jackmell said:
Just let:

v=1/t-1 and work it through. Then switch the limits of integration.

Your solution doesn't make sense. It doesn't give me the limits I need and it isn't in the form I need it either.
 
MisterMan said:
4\int_{0}^{1}\left(\frac{4-4t}{4t}\right)^{1/2}\hspace{1mm}dt

And I take out four as a common factor:

4\int_{0}^{1}\left(\frac{1-t}{t}\right)^{1/2}\hspace{1mm}dt

[STRIKE]Wouldn't you be factoring out 4/4 = 1? So wouldn't the factor outside still be 1? Or am I just being silly here...Anyway, I hope this helps: [/STRIKE]
EDIT: yep...I was just being silly. I realized where your 4 came from finally haha.

4\int_{0}^{1}\left(\frac{1-t}{t}\right)^{1/2}\hspace{1mm}dt

= 4\int_{0}^{1}\left(t^{-1/2}(1-t)^{1/2}\right)} \ dt

= 4\int_{0}^{1}\left(t^{1/2 \ - \ 1}(1-t)^{3/2 \ - \ 1}\right)} \ dt

= 4B(1/2, \ 3/2)

= 8\int_{0}^{\pi / 2}\left(sin(\theta)^{2(1/2) \ - \ 1}cos(\theta)^{2(3/2) \ - \ 1}\right)} \ d\theta

= 8\int_{0}^{\pi / 2}\left(sin(\theta)^{0}cos(\theta)^{2}\right)} \ d\theta

= 8[.5(\theta + sin(\theta)cos(\theta))|_{0}^{\pi/2}

= 4(\pi /2)

= 2\pi.
 
Thanks Raskolnikov, I've gotten so frustrated with that problem over the last day. I seemed to be too obsessed with getting the problem in the form:

B(p,q) = \int_0^{\infty}\frac{y^{p-1}}{(1+y)^{p+q}}\hspace{1mm}dy

That I took no notice of it being any in other form. ( Actually I'm a little confused why it is in a different form to the one I described initially, it was in a section dedicated to those types of Beta functions). Anyway, thanks everyone for your help :)
 

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