Solving the ideal gas law for moles

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The discussion revolves around applying the ideal gas law to determine the number of moles of air in a scuba diver's lungs at different depths, specifically at 15 meters underwater and at the surface. The problem involves understanding the relationship between pressure, volume, temperature, and the number of moles of gas.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the application of the ideal gas law, questioning the conditions at the surface and the calculations for moles at different pressures. There are attempts to clarify unit conversions and the implications of constant temperature and volume.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some providing guidance on unit consistency and the correct application of the ideal gas law. There is a mix of understanding and confusion regarding the calculations and the correct interpretation of pressure units.

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There are mentions of specific assumptions, such as the constant volume of the lungs and body temperature, as well as the need to ensure that all units are correctly aligned for the calculations. Some participants express uncertainty about the correct use of the gas constant and the implications of using different pressure units.

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Suppose Gabor, a scuba diver, is at a depth of 15 m. Assume that:

1. The air pressure in his air tract is the same as the net water pressure at this depth. This prevents water from coming in through his nose.
2. The temperature of the air is constant (body temperature).
3. The air acts as an ideal gas.
4. Salt water has an average density of around 1.03 g/cm^3, which translates to an increase in pressure of 1.00 atm for every 10.0 m of depth below the surface. Therefore, for example, at 10.0 m, the net pressure is 2.00 atm.

If the temperature of air in Gabor's lungs is 37 Celsius and the volume is 6 L, how many moles of air n must be released by the time he reaches the surface? Let the molar gas constant be given by R = 8.31 J/ (mol*K)
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I know that the number of moles of air in 6L at the underwater pressure of is 0.006(?)
Now I know that the difference between this and the moles of air in the lungs that I calculate at the surface pressure gives me my answer but how do I know what the conditions are at the surface? am I just approaching this problem in an incorrect way?? Thanks in advance..
 
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his lungs don't change is size, and neither should his body temp. also, check your units carefully
 
ah ok i get it
 
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no i don't get it. i get n=0.006 at the depth of 15 m but my units are atm*L*mol/J when I use the formula n=PV/(RT). what do i do? so at the depth of 15m, i got p=2.5 atm, V=6L, R=8.31 J/(mol*K), T=37+273 K, and the surface, p=1 atm, V=6L, R=8.31 J/(mol*K), T=37+273 K. i can't use the 1 mol=22.4 L rule because conditions are not "standard pressure and temp"
 
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the equation you used was n = PV/RT

T is in kelvin, P is in either atmospheres or mmHg, and volume is in litres. make sure that your values have these units.
 
that's what i had. but I'm NOT getting the right answer. i will spell what i did out
@ 15 m --> n=PV/(RT)= (2.5)(6)/(8.31*(37+273)) = 0.005823
@surface--> n=PV/(RT) = 1(6)/(8.31*(37+273)) = 0.002329
you said that temp stays the same and volume stays the same, correct? then why am i not getting the right ans? I get 0.00349 atm*L*mol/J when I should be getting my ans in moles, am i not right?
 
i believe that you have the incorrect units for the pressure. in addition your final units should be in moles
 
no, you said that p should be in either atm or mmHg, I DO have it in atm. 2.5atm at 15 m, got from (15m(1atm/10m)+1atm) and 1atm at the surface. help anyone? maybe you meant pascuals...
 
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oh... you meant the universal gas constant! ok, thanks
 

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