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We all know that current can't flow in open circuit. Then why does current flow in the wires of half wave dipole antenna ? I am confused , can't visualize.
That statement is far too simplified. By that argument, no circuit involving series capacitors could ever work.erece said:We all know that current can't flow in open circuit.
gtacs said:This was a recent topic, and some very good explanations, look at the links I posted in this thread, it explains half-wave dipoles really well.
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=527429&highlight=gtacs
yungman said:I don't get the two wave length. There is only the EM wave on the surface of the metal rod, there is no EM inside the rod as EM don't penetrate into the metal. This is not like coax where the EM wave travel inside the dielectric medium between the inner and the outer conductor.
The surface current is only the consequence of the boundary condition between the perfect conductor( well say metal) and the free space ( well say air). The EM wave travel in air, I don't get the 0.95 factor.
davenn said:The velocity of a RF current in/along a wire (conductor) is less than in free space, where it is the speed of light.
I will try to dig up some references. I don't know the physics behind it, its not my field.
I just deal in the day to day facts of what happens whilst playing RF technician.
cheers
Dave
1 basic reference... there's lots on google
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wave_propagation_speedTho the effect is most noticeable with insulated wire. It does become obvious at UHF and microwave frequencies for bare wire
yungman said:I don't get the two wave length. There is only the EM wave on the surface of the metal rod, there is no EM inside the rod as EM don't penetrate into the metal. This is not like coax where the EM wave travel inside the dielectric medium between the inner and the outer conductor.
The surface current is only the consequence of the boundary condition between the perfect conductor( well say metal) and the free space ( well say air). The EM wave travel in air, I don't get the 0.95 factor.
erece said:thank you all for your replys... I want to know that why EM waves travel. I mean what causes them to travel from one antenna to other antennas. What is the driving force behind it?
sophiecentaur said:The different speeds of waves on the antenna and in space will affect the radiation pattern of the antenna. All antennae are 'slow wave structures'. If you want n extreme example of this, look at a Beverage Antenna, which consists of a long wire, suspended on poles along the ground. They can be hundreds of metres long. The antenna receives medium and low frequency signals and relies on the forward tilt of a (VP) ground wave as it goes over ground with finite resistance. An emf is induced from the ground wave onto the tethered wave on the wire and gradually builds up over the length of the wire - giving you Gain in the direction of the wire. The wave on the wire goes a bit slower than the wave it's receiving so, after a certain length (governed by wire height ground characteristics) the two waves get out of step and the pickup drops.
Another example of a 'slow wave' antenna is the 'normal mode helix' which is common on walkie talkies. It looks like a spring covered in plastic (which is what it is). You use about 1/4 wavelength of wire, coiled up into about ten cm of plastic sleeving. They work very well, 'considering'.
yungman said:Thanks for your reply, I think this sounds like traveling wave antenna that I am not there yet! I'll read through that first. I am still working on this!...Better yet, I have been on strike for the last 3 weeks doing some guitar electronics design, need to get back to the studying soon.
sophiecentaur said:I was just making the point that the speeds are different - so that makes the wavelengths different - one in free space and one on / around the metal. "Travelling wave" is a term used for antennae when the difference in the two wavelengths becomes significant.
sophiecentaur said:A simple explanation of why a wave is actually propagated:
When the field at the antenna changes, it takes time for that change to reach a point at some distance away. By the time that new value of field has been reached at that distance, the field at the antenna has changed once more. So the changes at a distance never quite keep up with the changes at the antenna. This forms a wave, which propagates outwards from the antenna and varies in time, as the frequency of the transmitted signal and the wavelength (distance between peaks) will be equal to the speed (c) divided by the frequency.
You can make a simple model of this process by waggling one end of a rope and seeing how the up-down motion of the rope lags behind your hand movements and the motion of the rope forms a wave, moving away from your hand. Notice that the faster you waggle your hand, the shorter is the wavelength.