Solving the separable equation, putting it in explicit form

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around solving a separable differential equation and expressing the solution in explicit form. Participants also explore determining the interval of validity for the solution.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the initial value problem and derives an implicit solution, expressing concern about how to convert it to explicit form.
  • Another participant suggests a method to obtain the explicit solution by manipulating the implicit equation.
  • There is a discussion about the interval of validity, with participants proposing that it is determined by the points where the denominator of the explicit solution becomes zero.
  • One participant confirms the interval of validity as $-2 < x < 3$ and another agrees with this assessment.
  • Alternative methods to derive the explicit solution are also discussed, including negating both sides of the equation before inverting.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the interval of validity and the methods to derive the explicit solution, but there is no consensus on the exact reasoning behind the interval determination.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the implications of manipulating the implicit solution and the conditions under which the interval of validity is defined.

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Find the solution of the given initial value problem in explicit form.
Determine interval which solution is defined. (which i think is the same thing as saying find the interval of validity)

$y' = (1-2x)y^2$ , $y(0) = -1/6$

So here is what I have so far..

$\int y^{-2}dy = x - x^2 + C$

$= \frac{-1}{y} = x-x^2+C$ <-- implicit form

then i plugged $y(0) = -1/6$ and found $C = 6$

But now my question is how do I get my solution in explicit form? If i multiply by a $y$ then I will lose my $y=$ so I'm confused on what to do . I know I need to have $y = x-x^2 + 6$ or something in that form for it to be in explicit form correcT?
 
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shamieh said:
Find the solution of the given initial value problem in explicit form.
Determine interval which solution is defined. (which i think is the same thing as saying find the interval of validity)

$y' = (1-2x)y^2$ , $y(0) = -1/6$

So here is what I have so far..

$\int y^{-2}dy = x - x^2 + C$

$= \frac{-1}{y} = x-x^2+C$ <-- implicit form

then i plugged $y(0) = -1/6$ and found $C = 6$

But now my question is how do I get my solution in explicit form? If i multiply by a $y$ then I will lose my $y=$ so I'm confused on what to do . I know I need to have $y = x-x^2 + 6$ or something in that form for it to be in explicit form correcT?

Yes you would lose your y= but you can easily get it back...

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} -\frac{1}{y} &= x - x^2 + 6 \\ -1 &= y \left( x - x^2 + 6 \right) \\ -\frac{1}{x - x^2 + 6} &= y \\ y &= \frac{1}{x^2 - x - 6} \end{align*}$
 
Ahh I didn't see that. I've been doing too much math today..

So would the IOV be: $-2< x < 3$
 
shamieh said:
Ahh I didn't see that. I've been doing too much math today..

So would the IOV be: $-2< x < 3$

Won't it be valid everywhere except where the denominator is 0?
 
shamieh said:
Ahh I didn't see that. I've been doing too much math today..

So would the IOV be: $-2< x < 3$

Yes that's correct. :D

Another way to get the explicit solution from what you had is to negate both sides:

$$\frac{1}{y}=x^2-x-6$$

Then just invert both sides:

$$y=\frac{1}{x^2-x-6}$$
 

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