Solving Torque Question 3.12: Find Force F

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The discussion revolves around a torque problem from a physics homework assignment, specifically focusing on calculating the force F in a static system involving multiple torques and forces acting on a structure.

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate torques based on given forces and distances but expresses uncertainty about their approach and results. Some participants suggest re-evaluating the distances used in the torque calculations and emphasize the importance of considering the number of wheels affecting the final answer. Others raise questions about the application of concepts in related problems, particularly regarding forces and torques in static systems.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some providing guidance on how to approach the calculations and emphasizing the need to break down forces and torques. There is a recognition of the complexity of the problems, and while some participants express confusion, others offer insights that may help clarify the concepts involved.

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Participants mention specific problems from a question sheet, indicating that they are working within a structured homework context. There is a noted lack of familiarity with certain concepts, particularly regarding the forces acting on beams and the application of static equilibrium principles.

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Question 3.12 (ignore the 0.80 i have written under it)

i don't know what to do, well first i started the torque fbd at the first tire

torque 1) - 700 * 0.25L (negative cause its clockwise)
torque 2) - 8000 *0.5L
torque3) - 900 *0.75L
torque4) F * 1L

-175 - 4000 - 675 + F
4850 = F
as you see that's not the right answer
i know i did something wrong let me know
 
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Looks like you need to re-examine the distances that you're using in your torques. Re-read the problem and take a closer look at the figure. Also remember that you'll need to divide your final answer by 2 since there are two wheels at the front and back :)
 
i knew i had the distances werong
im blanked for some reason :(
 
from that same question sheet btw

3.16
i got 2.9kN as the tension in the tie rope, but whaen they ask for force of the hinge on the beam, believe it or not i dotn remember being taught this, what do you do in this case.

as for 3.15
they ask for the force components at thehinges
once again i did get 670N, but in the answers there's H=670N V= 1.6kN
i really don't know this, a quick lesson would be apprecaited thans
 
SS2006 said:
i really don't know this, a quick lesson would be apprecaited thans

There's a basic strategy for attacking these kinds of problems. They're generally called statics, by the way, since the situations are supposed to be static (i.e. nothing's moving).

Basically what you want to do is to determine exactly what forces and torques are acting on the object in question. That would be the floor of the car in your first question and the beams in your second two.

Once you've determined the forces that are acting on the object break them up into components and use Newton's second law (F=ma) to get a system of equations relating the various forces to one another. In these cases nothing's moving so your acceleration will always be zero, i.e. you'll be setting the sums of your forces and torques equal to zero.

For instance, in the case of the situation in Figure 3-15 I'll go through the forces that are acting on the beam in the vertical direction. You have a gravitational force from the weight of the beam itself that's pulling down, you have the weight of the mass hanging off the end which is also pulling down, you have the vertical component of the force exerted by the rope which is pulling up, and you have a vertical component of force from the hinge which is pushing down. The sum of all these forces must equal zero.

Simmilarly you should be able to come up with equations relating the horizontal components of force which are acting on the beam, and all of the torques as well. Once you've done this you will have a system of three equations with three unknowns that you should be able to solve using standard algebraic techniques.
 
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tha tmade a lot fsense thanks so much
i understood vetical part very weel
but what torques are in the horizontal part?
 

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