Solving Transient Response Homework Statement

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The discussion revolves around a homework problem involving the transient response of an electrical network with a voltage source, a switch, a capacitor, and an inductor. Participants are attempting to determine the voltage across the capacitor before the switch is closed, as well as the currents i1 and i2 at t=0+, and the rates of change di1/dt and di2/dt at t=0.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that before closing the switch, the capacitor behaves as an open circuit, leading to the conclusion that i1(0-) equals i1(0+), and i2(0+) equals V/R3.
  • Another participant challenges the correctness of the current calculations, suggesting that the lack of parentheses in the expression may lead to confusion.
  • A question is raised about whether the mistake in calculating i2 arises from not considering the current flowing through the inductor when the switch is open.
  • One participant proposes determining the voltage at t=0+ across R3 to find i2 at that time.
  • There is a suggestion that at t=0+, the capacitor will be shorted, leading to a potential difference across R3 being equal to that across the inductor's branch.
  • Another participant asks for clarification on when di1/dt and di2/dt should be computed, indicating a lack of definition in the problem statement.
  • One participant asserts that the capacitor voltage at t=0- can be expressed as i1(0-)R2, while i2(0-) is stated to be V/R1+R2.
  • Corrections are made regarding subscripts and expressions, with a participant noting a mistake in the subscript for i1 and stating that i2(0-) will be zero.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the calculations of currents and the interpretation of the problem statement. There is no consensus on the correct approach or the values of the currents and their rates of change.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem does not specify when di1/dt and di2/dt should be computed, leading to ambiguity. Additionally, there are unresolved questions regarding the assumptions made about the behavior of the inductor and capacitor at the moment the switch is closed.

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Homework Statement


In given network (voltage source V & switch K) , a steady state is reached with the switch k open .At time t=0 , switch k is closed. Find voltage across C before switch is closed? and i1 &i2 at t=0+.Also values of di1/dt and di2/dt at t=0.

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since , before closing the switch steady state has reached . so , capacitor will be open & inductor open. so current i1(0-) will be V/R1+R2 =i1(0+). And current i2(0+) =V/R3.
Now for voltage across capacitor before switch is closed , it'll be i1R2-Ldi1/dt but di1/dt is coming out be zero. so voltage should be i1R2. Also di2/dt is coming out to be zero.at t=0- .. Please check if it is correct or not??
 

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ranju said:
so current i1(0-) will be V/R1+R2 =i1(0+).
I would give only half marks for that, because it's lacking an essential pair of parentheses.

And current i2(0+) =V/R3.
Not correct.
 
NascentOxygen said:
because it's lacking an essential pair of parentheses.
which parantheses you are talking about?
Is the mistake occurring because I did'nt consider that a current is flowing through inductor when the switch was open while finding i2??
 
ranju said:
Is the mistake occurring because I did'nt consider that a current is flowing through inductor when the switch was open while finding i2??
Determine the voltage at t=0+ on each end of R3, take their difference and divide by R3. That will be i2 at that time.
 
at t=0+ , the capacitor will be shorted..! so potential difference across R3 will be potential difference across the inductor's branch..Is'nt it?
i1(0+)R2- Ldi2(0+)/dt.. how we will find di2(0+)/dt..??
 
What is the capacitor voltage at t = 0- ?
 
ranju said:

Homework Statement

:
In given network (voltage source V & switch K) , a steady state is reached with the switch k open .At time t=0 , switch k is closed. Find voltage across C before switch is closed? and i1 &i2 at t=0+.Also values of di1/dt and di2/dt at t=0.[/B]
First, the problem does not define when di1/dt and di2/dt are to be computed. Is it at t0- or t0+?
So for the moment that leaves only i1(0+) and i2(0+), plus VC(0-) to be computed.
 
I will limit my next reply to the verification of those computations only, if they are forthcoming..
 
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NascentOxygen said:
What is the capacitor voltage at t = 0- ?
it'll be i1(0-)R2 where i2(0-) = V/R1+R2
 
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ranju said:
it'll be i1(0-)R2 where i2(0-) = V/R1+R2
With the subscript fixed and an essential pair of parentheses added, that would be correct. :confused:

So what would be the capacitor voltage at t=0+ ?

Meaning the current i2(0+) would be ...?
 
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sorry , actually I did a mistake in subscript its i1(0-) = V/R1+R2 , i2(0-) will be zero..
 

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