Solving Trig Equations: sin2θ - 1 = cos2θ | 0 ≤ θ ≤ 360°

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The problem involves solving the trigonometric equation sin2θ - 1 = cos2θ within the range of 0 ≤ θ ≤ 360°. Participants are discussing various approaches to find the solutions and clarifying the notation used in the equations.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to manipulate the equation by substituting 2θ with x and exploring identities related to sine and cosine. There are discussions about the implications of squaring both sides of the equation and the potential for extraneous solutions. Some participants question the notation of cos2 and sin2, seeking clarification on their meanings.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and questioning each other's reasoning. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of trigonometric identities to avoid squaring, and there is a recognition of the need to check solutions against the original equation.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of trigonometric functions and their values within specified quadrants. There is an acknowledgment of the range for θ and the implications of multiple revolutions in the context of the problem.

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Homework Statement



Solve sin2θ - 1 = cos2θ in range 0 ≤ θ ≤ 360°

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I always struggle with the end of these questions, deciding which answers are correct.

Here's what I have done;

let 2θ = x

cosx + 1 = sinx

cos2x + sin2x = 1
sin x = √(1 - cos2x)

cosx + 1 = √(1 - cos2x)

square both sides

cos2x + 2cosx + 1 = 1 - cos2x

2cos2x + 2cosx = 0

factor out 2cosx

2cosx (cosx + 1) = 0

cosx = 0 when x = 270, 90

so θ = 135, 45

cosx - 1 = 0

x = 180, 270

θ = 90, 135

Only 90 and 45 are in the first quadrant where cos is +ve, does that mean these are the answers I want?

Thanks for any help you can give, I hope my question is clear.
 
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BOAS said:
cos2x + sin2x = 1
sin x = √(1 - cos2x)

cosx + 1 = √(1 - cos2x)

square both sides

cos2x + 2cosx + 1 = 1 - cos2x

2cos2x + 2cosx = 0
What is cos2 and sin2? It does not have any value.
 
adjacent said:
What is cos2 and sin2? It does not have any value.

it's cos2 of x, which I'm using to represent 2θ

I don't really understand what you're asking
 
BOAS said:
cosx - 1 = 0

x = 180, 270

θ = 90, 135

Recheck this. What are the solutions to cos(x)=1?
 
Pranav-Arora said:
Recheck this. What are the solutions to cos(x)=1?

cosx = 1 when x = 0 or 360.
 
BOAS said:
cos2x + sin2x = 1
sin x = √(1 - cos2x)

cosx + 1 = √(1 - cos2x)

square both sides

cos2x + 2cosx + 1 = 1 - cos2x

2cos2x + 2cosx = 0
adjacent said:
What is cos2 and sin2? It does not have any value.
What's the reason for your comment, adjacent? I don't see anything wrong with the notation that BOAS used.
 
BOAS said:
cosx = 1 when x = 0 or 360.

Since ##0 \leq \theta \leq 2\pi##, therefore ##0\leq x \leq 4\pi##, you should find solutions for x in this range.
 
Mark44 said:
What's the reason for your comment, adjacent? I don't see anything wrong with the notation that BOAS used.
It's because cos itself does not have any value,it's a function.Then how can cos2 have any value?

For example, ##f(x)=2x+1##
##f## itself has no value nor ##f^2##I know I am wrong somewhere and I would appreciate if you clarify my doubt.
 
Pranav-Arora said:
Since ##0 \leq \theta \leq 2\pi##, therefore ##0\leq x \leq 4\pi##, you should find solutions for x in this range.

this does make sense, but I struggle with the logic of which solutions are the ones I want.

In my OP at the end, I justified the solutions i 'chose' by saying that they were the only ones in a quadrant where cos is +ve.

Is this what I want?

i.e in the range ##0\leq x \leq 4\pi## there are two revolutions to go through, so I think there should be another set of solutions that lie within the first quadrant.
 
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BOAS said:
In my OP at the end, I justified the solutions i 'chose' by saying that they were the only ones in a quadrant where cos is +ve.

It can be positive in both the first and fourth quadrants.
 
  • #11
No, I'm somewhat confused.

cos(x) = 0

x = 90, 270, 450, 630

so θ = 45, 135, 225, 315

cos(x) = 1

x = 0, 360, 720 (I think I'm correct not to include the -1 values here)

so θ = 0, 180, 360
 
  • #12
BOAS said:
No, I'm somewhat confused.

cos(x) = 0

x = 90, 270, 450, 630

so θ = 45, 135, 225, 315

cos(x) = 1

x = 0, 360, 720 (I think I'm correct not to include the -1 values here)

so θ = 0, 180, 360

Looks very good to me but it isn't necessary that the values of you have found are the solutions to the original equation.

While squaring, there is always a risk of getting extra solutions so the best method is to find a way which does not involve squaring.

For the given case, you can use:

sin(2θ)=2sinθcosθ and cos(2θ)=2cos2θ-1

Are you aware of the above identities?
 
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Pranav-Arora said:
Looks very good to me but it isn't necessary that the values of you have found are the solutions to the original equation.

While squaring, there is always a risk of getting extra solutions so the best method is to find a way which does not involve squaring.

For the given case, you can use:

sin(2θ)=2sinθcosθ and cos(2θ)=2cos2θ-1

Are you aware of the above identities?

They're not committed to memory, but they look familiar.

I shall rework the question using them and see how I get on. Thanks for helping me.
 
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adjacent said:
It's because cos itself does not have any value,it's a function.Then how can cos2 have any value?

For example, ##f(x)=2x+1##
##f## itself has no value nor ##f^2##
Are you asking about this? cos2x + sin2x = 1

BOAS write several equations that involved cos2x or sin2x, and these are well-understood forms of notation.

cos2x means exactly the same thing as (cos(x))2.
 
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If, in your first equation, you move the cosx to the right side of the equation, and square the resulting relationship, you get

cos2x+sin2x-2sinxcosx=1
So, sinxcosx=0. So, at the solution points, either sinx is zero or cosx is zero. You have to check with the original equation to see which such points are allowed.
 

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