Solving (z^N-a^N) = 0 for a^N<0

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The discussion revolves around finding the roots of the equation (z^N - a^N) = 0, specifically under the condition that a^N is less than zero. Participants are exploring the implications of this condition on the roots and their representations.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Some participants attempt to express the roots in terms of complex exponentials, while others question the validity of these expressions and their interpretations. There is also mention of De Moivre's Theorem and relationships involving trigonometric functions.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing different perspectives on the formula for the roots and expressing confusion about the application of complex exponentials. Some guidance has been offered regarding the correct formula for the Nth roots, but there remains a lack of consensus on the understanding of these concepts.

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Participants note that the problem may not be typical homework, indicating a sense of urgency and a desire for clarity without extensive hints. There is also mention of a textbook example that may not be fully understood by all participants.

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Homework Statement



Find the roots for

[tex](z^N-a^N) = 0[/tex]

when [itex]a^N<0[/itex] is allowed.


Homework Equations



No idea.

The Attempt at a Solution



I know that the roots are

[tex]z_k=ae^{i(2\pi k/N)}, k = 0, 1, ... , N-1.[/tex]

How do I find that solution? I'm reading a signals book, and it assumed that this is obvious. It should also be obvious that this is not a homework problem, so if possible please just tell me what I'm missing without hints. I'm studying and in a rush. Thanks!
 
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exp(i*2*pi*k/N)^N=exp(2i*pi*k)=1 for k an integer. Take z_k to the Nth power. exp(2i*pi*k)=cos(2*pi*k)+i*sin(2*pi*k).
 
couldn't you use the relationship
[tex]z - \frac{1}{z} = 2{\bf{i}}\sin \theta[/tex] and De Movire's Theorem?
 
WolfOfTheSteps said:

Homework Statement



Find the roots for

[tex](z^N-a^N) = 0[/tex]

when [itex]a^N<0[/itex] is allowed.


Homework Equations



No idea.

The Attempt at a Solution



I know that the roots are

[tex]z_k=ae^{i(2\pi k/N)}, k = 0, 1, ... , N-1.[/tex]

How do I find that solution? I'm reading a signals book, and it assumed that this is obvious. It should also be obvious that this is not a homework problem, so if possible please just tell me what I'm missing without hints. I'm studying and in a rush. Thanks!
There are two things you are "missing". The first is that you're formula is not correct- the N "Nth roots of a" are given by [itex]z_k= (a^{1/N}e^{i(2\pi k)/N}[/itex] )([itex]a^{1/N}[/itex] here is the "principal" real Nth root of the positive real number a, [itex]\sqrt[N]{a}[/itex]) and the fact that you don't seem to have tried to use that formula!
[itex]z_1= \sqrt[N]{a}[/itex] with k= 0.
[itex]z_2= \sqrt[N]{a}e^{2\pi i/N}[/itex] with k= 1.
[itex]z_3= \sqrt[N]{a}e^{4\pi i/N}[/itex] with k= 2.
etc.
 
HallsofIvy said:
There are two things you are "missing". The first is that you're formula is not correct- the N "Nth roots of a" are given by [itex]z_k= (a^{1/N}e^{i(2\pi k)/N}[/itex] )([itex]a^{1/N}[/itex] here is the "principal" real Nth root of the positive real number a, [itex]\sqrt[N]{a}[/itex]) and the fact that you don't seem to have tried to use that formula!
[itex]z_1= \sqrt[N]{a}[/itex] with k= 0.
[itex]z_2= \sqrt[N]{a}e^{2\pi i/N}[/itex] with k= 1.
[itex]z_3= \sqrt[N]{a}e^{4\pi i/N}[/itex] with k= 2.
etc.

Thanks for your help, Halls. I posted this the night before a test in a cram.

But now I'm coming back to it and trying to understand, and I still don't get it! I tried using the formula, but the z_k's you have up there make no sense! I just don't see what the complex exponential is doing! And when I plug in sample values for N, that exponential evaluates to crazy things.

I think I'm having a mental block and missing something obvious. Also, was my formula really wrong? Here is exactly what the book says:

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/432/exampleqe5.jpg
 
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[tex]z^n = a^n[/tex] let [tex]\zeta[/tex] be the [tex]n[/tex]-th root of unity and [tex]w = \sqrt[n]{a} = \exp (\log (a)/n)[/tex] then the roots are [tex]w,w\zeta,...,w\zeta^{n-1}[/tex]. (The square root here and log are the complex-valued functions).
 

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