Some calculus exercises doubts

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The discussion revolves around calculus problems involving the equations of tangent and normal lines to curves defined by specific functions. The original poster presents two problems: one concerning the tangent line to the curve \( f(x) = \frac{1}{x - a} \) at points \( x = -2 \) and \( x = 4 \), and the other regarding the normal line to the tangent of the curve \( f(x) = x^2 - 1 \) at \( x = 0 \).

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the need to evaluate the function and its derivative at specific points before attempting to find the equations of the tangent and normal lines. There are questions about the implications of a horizontal tangent line and the nature of vertical normal lines. Some participants also explore the application of the chain rule and product rule in differentiation.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on evaluating derivatives and the implications of horizontal and vertical lines. There is an ongoing exploration of when to apply different differentiation rules, with some participants questioning their understanding of these concepts.

Contextual Notes

Participants note issues such as division by zero in the context of the second problem and the importance of substituting values correctly in derivative expressions. There is also a mention of homework rules regarding the presentation of problems and the appropriateness of opening new threads for new questions.

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Homework Statement



Problem 1
Find the equation of the tangent line on the following points of the curve.
[itex]f(x) = \frac{1}{x - a}, a \in \mathbb{R} - \left \{ -2; 4 \} \right; x = -2, x = 4[/itex]

Problem 2
Find the equation of the line normal to the tangent line on the following points of the curve.
[itex]f(x) = x^{2} - 1; x = 0[/itex]

Homework Equations



The Attempt at a Solution



Problem 1
[PLAIN]http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/4021/giflatex2.gif

As you can see my solution is completely wrong ;(
Problem 2
[PLAIN]http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/4265/giflatex3.gif

It will give a division by zero, what's going on here?
 
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Taturana said:

Homework Statement



Problem 1
Find the equation of the tangent line on the following points of the curve.
[itex]f(x) = \frac{1}{x - a}, a \in \mathbb{R} - \left \{ -2; 4 \} \right; x = -2, x = 4[/itex]

Problem 2
Find the equation of the line normal to the tangent line on the following points of the curve.
[itex]f(x) = x^{2} - 1; x = 0[/itex]

Homework Equations



The Attempt at a Solution



Problem 1
[PLAIN]http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/4021/giflatex2.gif

As you can see my solution is completely wrong ;(



Problem 2
[PLAIN]http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/4265/giflatex3.gif

It will give a division by zero, what's going on here?
Evaluate your function and its derivative, and then use the values in your formulas. For #2, since f'(x) = 2x, then f'(0) = 0. This says that the tangent line is horizontal when x = 0 (i.e., at (0, 0). What does this say about the normal to the curve at this point?
 
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In problem 1, you simply forgot to substitute x=-2 in when you wrote in the expression for f'(-2) in the equation of the line.

In problem 2, you found the slope of the tangent to be given by f'(x)=2x. At x=0, you get f'(x)=0, which means the tangent line is horizontal. The normal, therefore, will be vertical. Vertical lines do not have a finite slope, so you can't use the point-slope formula for a line.
 
For #1, evaluate f(-2) and f'(-2) before trying to find the equation of the tangent line. My answer agrees with the book's answer that you posted.
 
Mark44 said:
Evaluate your function and its derivative, and then use the values in your formulas. For #2, since f'(x) = 2x, then f'(0) = 0. This says that the tangent line is horizontal when x = 0 (i.e., at (0, 0). What does this say about the normal to the curve at this point?

vela said:
In problem 1, you simply forgot to substitute x=-2 in when you wrote in the expression for f'(-2) in the equation of the line.

In problem 2, you found the slope of the tangent to be given by f'(x)=2x. At x=0, you get f'(x)=0, which means the tangent line is horizontal. The normal, therefore, will be vertical. Vertical lines do not have a finite slope, so you can't use the point-slope formula for a line.

Mark44 said:
For #1, evaluate f(-2) and f'(-2) before trying to find the equation of the tangent line. My answer agrees with the book's answer that you posted.

Thank you for the answers, that helped me a lot, now it works... =D

Just another question: how do I know when do I have to use the chain rule? There's any easy way of visualize it or is it just practice?
 
Use the chain rule whenever you are differentiating a composite function. The chain rule actually comes into play in your first problem, but because the derivative of x - a is 1, the contribution from the chain rule isn't noticeable.

If you had f(x) = 1/(2x - a) = (2x - a)-1, then f'(x) = -1(2x - a)-2 * 2 = -2/(2x - a)2. The 2 that appears in the numerator of the last expression comes from the use of the chain rule, and is the derivative of 2x - a.
 
Mark44 said:
Use the chain rule whenever you are differentiating a composite function. The chain rule actually comes into play in your first problem, but because the derivative of x - a is 1, the contribution from the chain rule isn't noticeable.

If you had f(x) = 1/(2x - a) = (2x - a)-1, then f'(x) = -1(2x - a)-2 * 2 = -2/(2x - a)2. The 2 that appears in the numerator of the last expression comes from the use of the chain rule, and is the derivative of 2x - a.

Thank you but I have another doubt (I think its not necessary to open another thread).

suppose:

[tex]f(x) = x(3x-5)[/tex]

I need to use the chain rule here, right?

[tex]f(x) = x u[/tex]
[tex]u = 3x -5[/tex]
[tex]\frac{df}{dx} = \frac{df}{du} \frac{du}{dx}[/tex]
[tex]\frac{df}{du} = x[/tex]
[tex]\frac{du}{dx} = 3[/tex]
[tex]\frac{df}{dx} = 3x[/tex]

I know that is not right, but why?
 
Taturana said:
Thank you but I have another doubt (I think its not necessary to open another thread).
You have another question, not a doubt. You have a doubt about something when you think you know what it is, but you aren't sure.

And yes, you should start a new thread when you have a new problem.
Taturana said:
suppose:

[tex]f(x) = x(3x-5)[/tex]

I need to use the chain rule here, right?
No. This is a product, not a composition, so you should use the product rule.
Taturana said:
[tex]f(x) = x u[/tex]
[tex]u = 3x -5[/tex]
[tex]\frac{df}{dx} = \frac{df}{du} \frac{du}{dx}[/tex]
[tex]\frac{df}{du} = x[/tex]
[tex]\frac{du}{dx} = 3[/tex]
[tex]\frac{df}{dx} = 3x[/tex]

I know that is not right, but why?

Here it is using the product rule.
f'(x) = x * d/dx(3x - 5) + (3x - 5) * d/dx(x)
= x * 3 + (3x - 5) * 1
= 3x + 3x -5 = 6x - 5.

As a check, f(x) = 3x2 - 5x, so f'(x) = 6x - 5.
 

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