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The discussion revolves around identifying a pattern in an infinite sequence: 1, 1, -1, 3, -15, 105, -945, with the goal of finding an expression for the nth term. The context includes a secondary question related to deriving the nth derivative of sqrt(x+1), which is linked to the sequence.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the possibility of a factorial being involved in the sequence, with some suggesting the concept of double factorials. There are attempts to fit the sequence to various factorial forms, and questions arise about how to align the sequence values with these factorial expressions.

Discussion Status

The discussion includes various attempts to identify a fitting formula for the sequence, with some participants providing suggestions and others expressing uncertainty about how to apply those suggestions. There is acknowledgment of the complexity in fitting the sequence to a factorial form, and while one participant claims to have found a solution, it is noted that it does not work for the initial term.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention that the sequence is not arithmetic or geometric, and there is a specific focus on the behavior of the terms as n increases. The original poster indicates that the solution is not required for n=0, which may influence the approach taken in the discussion.

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Homework Statement


1,1,-1,3,-15,105,-945 ...

find an expression for the nth term


The Attempt at a Solution



I HAVE TO FIND THE PATTERN
Now, i know for a fact that there has to be a factorial in there somewhere, because n starts at 0, and as you can see every term is alternating except for the first 2, which means there has to be some kind of factorial in the formula.

This is in fact a secondary question. I am trying to find a formula for the nth derivative of sqrt(x+1) and knowing the formula for this sequence is crucial to finding the formula for the nth derivative.

So far i have:
there must be some factorial in there
its not an arithmetic sequence
its not a geometric sequence.

PLEASE HELP ME!
 
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The symbol you are looking for is n!. It's called a double factorial. It's defined recursively by n!=(n)*(n-2)!. So e.g. 7!=1*3*5*7. Wikipedia actually has a lucid entry on it under Factorial.
 
hmm, trhat was a good idea, but how do i make it work to fit the sequenece?
ive been trying and i CANNOT get the numbers to fit into the double factorial.
 
1=1!
3=3!
15=5!
105=7!
945=9!

I'm not quite seeing the problem here.
 
Maybe you want to write something like (2n-1)!?
 
hmmmm
but look at the sequence.

When n = 7, the value is 9!
when n = 6, the value is 7!
when n = 5, the value is 5!
 
Ok, so I would call that (2n-5)!. The sequence is clear. You just have to fit the formula to it.
 
thanks for your help
but i got it

it's (-1)^(n+1) * (2n-3)!

it doesn't work for 0, but for my purposes, that does not matter to me.

BUt the idea for the double factorial saved my life.

Thanks
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