Somewhere to learn the whole quantum easier?

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The discussion revolves around the challenges of learning advanced physics concepts, particularly quantum mechanics and relativity, with a focus on the balance between mathematical rigor and intuitive understanding. Participants explore the desire for resources that present physics in a more accessible, less math-heavy manner while still conveying the necessary theoretical foundations.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested, Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses frustration with the heavy mathematical content in physics books, seeking simplified or more intuitive resources.
  • Another participant asserts that mathematics is essential to understanding physics, suggesting that a non-mathematical approach is not feasible.
  • A humorous suggestion of a specific book is made, highlighting the tension between the desire for less math and the reality of physics education.
  • A participant clarifies that they are not opposed to math but prefer a focus on physical intuition rather than detailed mathematical derivations.
  • Recommendations for videos and books that emphasize intuitive understanding over mathematical rigor are provided.
  • One participant seeks confirmation on whether the original poster is looking for texts that balance equations with physical intuition rather than mathematical explanations.
  • Another participant emphasizes that while equations describe physics, developing intuition requires practice and experimentation, and suggests that some basic texts use analogies to aid understanding.
  • A suggestion is made for the original poster to list the books they found too math-heavy to better tailor recommendations to their learning style.
  • A tutor is mentioned as a potential resource for those self-learning and struggling with the material.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that mathematics is integral to physics, but there is disagreement on the extent to which intuitive understanding can be achieved without a strong mathematical foundation. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to learning physics without being overwhelmed by math.

Contextual Notes

Some participants acknowledge the limitations of language in conveying complex physics concepts compared to mathematical expressions, suggesting that intuitive understanding may vary among learners.

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to say the truth, for the past 1.5 years, i have been reading a lot of theories and books trying to understand and learn the whole farce (like spin, string, general&special relativity etc etc..)
and what i got is only the basics of the basics..
why? because the books are all filled with maths, and equations...
and maths in physics are the part that i hate maths (i actually love maths, mostly the geometery part though.. and I'm reading these for hobby)
so... are there like simplified versions that i can read?
bare in mind that i have read the stuff and understood them, just that mostly was maths that i forgot (but i love theory physics... THEORY)
so yeah, help? i feel like a wasted 2 years of my life...
i'm currently watching this scienceu.com thingy... it's going not too bad, but it's still maths...
 
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Maths is the language of physics - what you appear to want, a non-math way of understanding advanced physics, is not possible.

There is no royal road to knowledge - you just have to learn the stuff.
 
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ok, i might have described it wrongly, it's not that i don't want there to be no maths, because they would help jog my memory, but this time, i would like a more worded/visual approach, they can be the smae amount of equations in the book, but this time, i don't need them to explain the equation in relation of the topic and demonstrate how it works, i just want it to be less explaining of the equations because i know them already
 
I think these videos on physics book recommendations might help you:




I think you are looking for books that teach physics intuitively rather than mathematically. The guy in the videos also likes books that approach physics at an intuitive level so his recommendations might be helpful.
 
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1832vin:

Are you asking for a rigorous physics text that shows the equations but dedicates time to developing the physical intuition behind the equation as opposed to explaining the actual mathematics of the equation? It seems to me you are saying you understand the math well, but the texts you have read spent a lot of time developing the mathematics and not as much time describing the physics behind the equations.

Is this correct?
 
ActionPotential said:
1832vin:

Are you asking for a rigorous physics text that shows the equations but dedicates time to developing the physical intuition behind the equation as opposed to explaining the actual mathematics of the equation? It seems to me you are saying you understand the math well, but the texts you have read spent a lot of time developing the mathematics and not as much time describing the physics behind the equations.

Is this correct?

yes! sorry for the hassel, I'm just not good at describing myself... so yeah, that the thing about the books that i read, they explain on the equations more than the physics behind it
 
The equations describe the physics. Physicists use maths as a language.
Doing the same thing in words would make a half-page derivation occupy a whole chapter and still leave room for misunderstandings because words are more vague.

Developing an intuition about the physics is what some people call "getting a feel for" the subject.
That comes with practice, and experimentation.

But there are texts at the more basic levels that spemd more time using analogies to help students over the maths.

Perhaps you can give us a list of the books you have tried that were too mathy for you?
If some were better for you than others, please indicate which ones.
This will give us a sense of your learning style.

However, you may need a tutor to guide you - especially if you are mostly self-learning.
 

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