Spaceship propelled by Stefan's law of heat radiation?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of using heat radiation as a propellant for a spaceship, specifically through the application of Stefan's law of heat radiation. Participants explore theoretical models, practical implications, and the efficiency of such a propulsion method.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes the idea of a spherical spaceship with one hot and one cold half, suggesting that this could generate significant thrust through heat radiation.
  • Another participant suggests calculating the thrust produced and envisions the setup as a hot sphere at the focus of a cold parabolic mirror.
  • A different participant notes that while such effects are measurable in space, the thrust generated by light pressure is very low, indicating that the spaceship would accelerate slowly and may not be practical.
  • This participant elaborates that the specific impulse is high but the thrust is low, questioning the feasibility of the proposed propulsion method compared to conventional fuels.
  • One participant references a nuclear photonic rocket as a related concept and questions whether the low acceleration is due to emitting momentum/energy without mass, compared to standard fuel.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the practicality and efficiency of using heat radiation for propulsion. While some find the idea intriguing, others argue that the low thrust makes it impractical. No consensus is reached regarding the feasibility of the proposed method.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations related to thrust versus specific impulse and the energy content of fuels, indicating that assumptions about efficiency and practicality may vary based on interpretations of the physics involved.

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Hi,
I got this fun idea. Has anyone ever consider that heat radiation could be an efficient propellant for a spaceship?
Imagine a spherical spaceship, half of which is hot and with a large emissivity coefficient (say almost 1), and the other half is cold and with low emmisivity. A naive calculation with the approximations above gives me a net power of this engine:
P almost equal to sigma 2 Pi R^2 T_hot ^4

which can be quite large. Of course, inside the spaceship, energy must be produced to keep the hot surface at constant temperature. One the main advantage I see here, is that you can use nuclear energy to provide with the required heat, and this is much more efficient than chemical energy.

So it seems to be a not so crazy idea! :) :)
Comments very welcome, thanks!
 
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You might calculate how much thrust you get. To make things a little more practical, you might want to envision it as a hot sphere at the focus of a cold parabolic mirror.
 
Such effects are measurable and play a role in the trajectory of interplanetary probes and in the orbits of Satellites and space junk.

The pressure of light isn't very powerful, though, each 300MJ would at most provide 1N of thrust. This is a classical case of thrust versus specific impulse, the specific impulse is extremely high, but the thrust is low and thereby the spaceship would accelerate very, very slowly. It isn't a very practical solution. Since the specific impulse (or more accurately the light pressure equivalent of it) squared and divided by two is higher than the energy content per mass unit of any conceivable fuel (except antimatter), there really is no point in building this thing, it would go faster and accelerate faster if the specific impulse was lower.
 
vemvare said:
Such effects are measurable and play a role in the trajectory of interplanetary probes and in the orbits of Satellites and space junk.

The pressure of light isn't very powerful, though, each 300MJ would at most provide 1N of thrust. This is a classical case of thrust versus specific impulse, the specific impulse is extremely high, but the thrust is low and thereby the spaceship would accelerate very, very slowly. It isn't a very practical solution. Since the specific impulse (or more accurately the light pressure equivalent of it) squared and divided by two is higher than the energy content per mass unit of any conceivable fuel (except antimatter), there really is no point in building this thing, it would go faster and accelerate faster if the specific impulse was lower.
vemvare said:
Such effects are measurable and play a role in the trajectory of interplanetary probes and in the orbits of Satellites and space junk.

The pressure of light isn't very powerful, though, each 300MJ would at most provide 1N of thrust. This is a classical case of thrust versus specific impulse, the specific impulse is extremely high, but the thrust is low and thereby the spaceship would accelerate very, very slowly. It isn't a very practical solution. Since the specific impulse (or more accurately the light pressure equivalent of it) squared and divided by two is higher than the energy content per mass unit of any conceivable fuel (except antimatter), there really is no point in building this thing, it would go faster and accelerate faster if the specific impulse was lower.

Yup, I think I found it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_photonic_rocket

Is it a correct intuition to say that it produces such a low acceleration because you emit pure momentum/energy but no mass (compared to standard fuel)? Is that the main reason?
 

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