Special relativity fundamental question

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The discussion revolves around fundamental concepts of special relativity, particularly the Lorentz Transformation equations and their interpretations. Participants explore the relationships between time and space measurements made by different observers moving relative to each other, as well as specific equations presented in a wikibook on the subject.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents their understanding of the Lorentz Transformation equations and seeks confirmation of their correctness.
  • Another participant confirms the correctness of the equations provided by the first participant, noting the conditions under which they apply.
  • Questions arise regarding a specific equation in the wikibook, with participants discussing the implications of different forms of the time transformation equation.
  • Further inquiries are made about the interpretation of the time and space axes in relation to moving observers, referencing an image from the wikibook.
  • Participants express confusion regarding the definitions of distance and time intervals in the context of different frames of reference, particularly concerning the space-time interval and the Lorentz transformation.
  • One participant questions the correctness of the wikibook's interpretations and expresses uncertainty about the derivation of certain relationships between moving objects.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is some agreement on the correctness of the Lorentz Transformation equations, but participants express differing views on specific interpretations and equations presented in the wikibook. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the clarity and correctness of certain concepts and equations.

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Participants highlight potential ambiguities in the definitions and interpretations of time and distance in special relativity, particularly in relation to different frames of reference. There are unresolved questions about the derivation of certain relationships and the implications of the equations discussed.

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Hi,
I'm very new to special relativity and have a very basic question.
A and B are moving from each other at a speed of [tex]v[/tex]
at some instant a light flashes in the space.
A records: At time [tex]t[/tex] a light flashed at [tex]x[/tex]
B records: At time [tex]t'[/tex] a light flashed at [tex]x'[/tex]

Here is what I understood from SR theory,
A, at time [tex]t[/tex] sees what B records (instantly, forgetting the delay to see B's record) and writes the relationship to match what he records [tex](t, x)[/tex] and B records [tex](t', x')[/tex]

[tex]x' = \gamma (x - vt)[/tex]
[tex]t' = \gamma (t - v/c^2 x)[/tex]
[tex]\gamma = 1/\sqrt{1 - v^2/c^2 }[/tex]

Is my understanding correct?

I am reading the wikibook http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Special_Relativity (hope that'll help me in all of special relativity)

Thanks in advance
 
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Yes, that is correct. The equations you have written (the first two specfically) are the Lorentz Transformation which relates position and time coordinates of an event as measured by the observers A and B, provided that one event has [itex]x = 0, t = 0[/itex] and [itex]x^{\prime} = 0, t^{\prime} = 0[/itex]. That is, the two coordinate systems are set up so their origins coincide.
 
thanks for correcting
 
One more question related to the same scenario from wikibook

1) How do you interpret the leaning forward of the time and x axis?
Can you give some hints from the attached image?

2)
The book says (Bill and John are moving from each at [tex]v[/tex])
So distances between two points according to Bill are simple lengths in space ([tex]X[/tex]) whereas John sees Bill's measurement of distance as a combination of a distance ([tex]x[/tex]) and a time interval:
[tex]x^2 = X^2 - (cT)^2 -----(1)[/tex]

But Bill's distance, [tex]x[/tex], is the length that he would obtain for things that John believes to be [tex]X[/tex] metres in length. For Bill it is John who has rods that contract in the direction of motion so Bill's determination "[tex]x[/tex]" of John's distance "[tex]X[/tex]" is given from:
[tex]x = X\sqrt{1 - v^2/c^2} -----(2)[/tex]

Eq. 2 is from the Lorentz tranform and Eq. 1 is from the space-time interval definition
But why does Eq. 1 has only [tex]T[/tex] from B's frame but not [tex]t[/tex] from John's frame?

Can u pls give some advice?

Actually I'm a bit confused as to how the interpretation that a moving objects are out of phase by [tex]T = (v/c^2) X[/tex] is derived. From that onwards I tend to wonder whether
the wikibook is correct and questioning everything... really sorry if this is a silly question...
 

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