Specific Heat Capacity of a cylinder in boiling water

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The discussion revolves around calculating the specific heat capacity of an unknown metal using a cylinder placed in boiling water. Participants explore the relationship between the heat lost by the metal and the heat gained by the water, addressing the initial and final temperatures involved in the process.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant states the initial temperature of the boiling water is 24.2°C and the final temperature after placing the metal is 29.5°C.
  • Another participant corrects that the initial temperature of the boiling water is actually 98°C, noting that the water was measured in the lab at that temperature.
  • There is a discussion about the heat gained by the water being equivalent to the heat lost by the metal, with one participant questioning the assumption that the temperature change for the metal is the same as that for the water.
  • One participant attempts to calculate the specific heat capacity of the metal using the formula Q=mCdeltaT, but expresses uncertainty about the temperature change for the metal.
  • Another participant points out that the temperature change for the water is not 5.3°C, which is the change for the metal, and emphasizes the need to correct the temperatures used in the calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need to clarify the initial and final temperatures involved in the calculations. However, there remains uncertainty regarding the correct application of the heat transfer equations and the specific heat capacity of the metal, with no consensus reached on the final values or methods.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the temperature changes for both the metal and the water, as well as the accuracy of the measurements taken in the lab. The discussion highlights the importance of correctly identifying the initial conditions and applying the heat transfer principles appropriately.

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Homework Statement



Finding the specific heat capacity of an unknown metal.

A cylinder was placed into boiling water, originally at 24.2 C. The heat transferred from the metal, and the water then was 29.5 C.

Original Temperature-24.2 C
Temperature after the metal has been placed into the water.-29.5 C

m=mass of water (100 g)
C=Specific Heat of Water (1 C)
deltaT=Change of Temperature in water=5.3 (29.5-24.2)

Metal

M=Mass of metal (86.79 g)
deltaT=? (I think it is 5.3, equivalent to the change of temperature in the water)
C=?

I am not entirely sure what I am doing wrong. I thought that the heat gained by the water is equivalent to the heat lost by the metal, therefore the change

Homework Equations



Q=mCdeltaT

Q/m*deltaT=c

The Attempt at a Solution



First I found the heat gained by the water by using the formula Q=mCdeltaT.

Where
m=mass of water (100 g)
C=Specific Heat of Water (1 C)
deltaT=Change of Temperature in water=5.3 (29.5-24.2)

Q=100x1x5.3

Therefore Q=530

Next, I used the Q to calculate the specific heat capacity of the unknown metal.

Q=mCdeltaT, with the variables changed to Q/m*deltaT=c
Where
Q=Heat Gained by Water/Lost by metal (530)
m=Mass of metal (86.79 g)
deltaT=This is what I am unsure about. Would the heat lost by the metal be equivalent to the heat gained by the water? Which would equal to 5.3 C.

If I calculate using that assumption for Delta T the answer equals 1.15 c/ g cal which is quite high for the specific heat capacity of a metal.

Was my process correct?
 
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Think about this: what is the initial temperature of the boiling water?
 
Thanks!

The initial temperature of the boiling water is 98 C.

Then I think it would go like this

(86.79) C (100 C - 29.5C) = (100g) (1 cal/g-C)(5.3C)

(86.79) (70.5C) C = 530

6118.7 C = 530

C = 0.0866 cal/g-C
 
Getting there, but there are still some problems.

DavisonH said:
Thanks!

The initial temperature of the boiling water is 98 C.
Well, you're close, but ... hey, come on, what temperature does water boil at? :wink:

Then I think it would go like this

(86.79) C (100 C - 29.5C) = (100g) (1 cal/g-C)(5.3C)
Hmmm. Okay, one side of that equation refers to the water, and the other side of the equation refers to the metal. Which is which?
 
The boiling point of water is 100 C, but the water measured in the lab as at 98 C.

The left side is the metal, the right the water.
 
DavisonH said:
The boiling point of water is 100 C, but the water measured in the lab as at 98 C.
Understood, thanks for clarifying.

DavisonH said:
(86.79) C (100 C - 29.5C) = (100g) (1 cal/g-C)(5.3C)
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The left side is the metal, the right the water.
The metal does not go from 100C to 29.5C. The temperature change of the water is not 5.3C, that is ΔT for the metal.
Fix those temperatures, then you should have it ... and remember, the water starts out at 98C.
 

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